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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • #50252
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123740775#Comment_123740775

    The dragging out of the 'war' for another six months plus will only increase Israel's rogue / pariah status even further. The West are already sick of them (witness the furious diplomatic rows with Australia and the insults they are hurling at France). Another six months of this and their status and credibility will be through the floor.



  • #50253
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123740775#Comment_123740775

    They have already flattened Khan Younis



  • #50254
    Spudmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123740775#Comment_123740775

    This isn't a war. Its an annihilation.



  • #50255
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,735 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741119#Comment_123741119

    If they do to h*mas what the US and the west failed to do to other terrorist groups like alqaeda and isis will you approve then?



  • #50256
    Tony EH
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,400 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123740247#Comment_123740247

    In a word, yes.

    All of this could be stopped by the US alone. All they would have to do is stop shipping arms to Israel. The EU could chime in and boycott Israeli goods.

    Israel's brutal expansionist slaughter would be over in a matter of days.

    Cut off supplies into Israel, the same way they cut off supplies to the Palestinian people. That would soften their cough pretty sharpish.



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  • #50257
    mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭mountain


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741059#Comment_123741059

    and calling it “ Anti Semitic” rather than acknowledging than they are a bunch of murdering b astards



  • #50258
    Spudmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741643#Comment_123741643

    Perhaps you could rephrase that in language I can understand. Spell out your intention there..



  • #50259
    sock.rocker*
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,571 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741818#Comment_123741818

    He is saying war crimes / ethnic cleansing / genocide against the enemy population are fine if they hurt the enemy combatants.

    It's just a pity the country doing it, and the main country supporting it, have leaders who are similarly fưcked in the head. Even Biden was the same.



  • #50260
    Spudmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741870#Comment_123741870

    Oh I know exactly what they are saying..

    I just want it spelt out rather than hiding behind some fuffa…



  • #50261
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The worlds last superpower, now run by a gang of thugs -

    "The International Criminal Court (ICC) has said it "deplores" new US sanctions on its judges and prosecutors.

    On Wednesday, the US State Department announced new sanctions on two judges and two prosecutors in the ICC for engaging in efforts to prosecute US and Israeli citizens.

    Secretary of State Marco Rubio accused the ICC of being a "national security threat" and "an instrument of lawfare" against the US and Israel."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c620l3y7ydro



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  • #50262
    RoyalCelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,230 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741107#Comment_123741107

    I meant all across Gaza city. I should have been more specific. They've completely cleared certain areas around the city but not the ruins of the city itself. That could be the next step but it's a huge operation given the cities size. If they go to the bother they will definitely plan to settle whatever is rebuilt there themselves.



  • #50263
    Suckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,534 ✭✭✭Suckler


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741643#Comment_123741643

    That’s a big ‘if’. Coupled with the fact that if their efforts fail to end Hamas, they’ll have left a lot of dead innocent in their wake. You seem ok with this.

    Israeli actions are ensuring the motivation for future terrorists in the region have ample fuel for their fires.



  • #50264
    Akrasia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,853 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Below is a message from a Holocaust Survivor who is absolutely opposed to this zionist genocide and rightly refuses to be associated with zionism.

    It is extremely antisemetic for all of the genocide apologies on here or in the media to pretend that being against Zionist ideology is the same as being antisemite

    https://youtu.be/HcCgV0dSoAM?si=B7sUp-xqY0eCUloa

    Ban billionaires



  • #50265
    Spudmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741643#Comment_123741643

    OK lets hash this out.

    In response to my annihilation comment you queried that so long as they fully eradicate Hamas the end justifies the means right? To fully eradicate Hamas you'd have to fully eradicate their pool of potential recruits i.e all Palestinians. And you ask me would I approve then? Eh no….. cause I'm not a fucking psychopath.

    Let me ask you a question ELM. At what point on the road to eradicating a people would you query that the ones doing the eradicating are the actual terrorists? Take your time, but if you don't have an answer to that, I'd be seeking help.



  • #50266
    2smiggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,248 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741931#Comment_123741931

    who knows, maybe isreal may be gone first ? and resettled by locals, not inbreds from Poland, Ukraine or America ?



  • #50267
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    In case anyone doubts the narrative that it's a one-sided slaughter, driven by a colonial contempt for it's victims -

    "Figures from a classified Israeli military intelligence database indicate five out of six Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in Gaza have been civilians, an extreme rate of slaughter rarely matched in recent decades of warfare."

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-1&fbclid=IwY2xjawMUF85leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHvRptiSeuf8mjdZuOzajVkf90FrMiWom7La5c76fUUT6Tnmbi_uBtIhA1mvR_aem_kpueKKuChoDWlKLjI6g9LA



  • #50268
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123742269#Comment_123742269

    An interesting stat here is that an estimated 10% of deaths in Ukraine since 2022 have been of civilians. Who would have guessed that the terrorist state known as Israel would be much, much worse than the Russians in their lack of respect for innocent lives.



  • #50269
    mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭mountain


    the amount of civilian deaths is intentional, the terror must be unimaginable, another Israeli tactic, at some point offer the Palestinians a way out, and they will take it



  • #50270
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,064 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123740743#Comment_123740743

    Yes the US have been a disgrace in relation to the genocide and war crimes. They aided and abetted them. Yet you have people here who think we should never criticise the US overlords for fear of losing some FDI. The risk of losing a few shillings is more important than their honour and integrity. How shallow some people have become.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • #50271
    purplesnack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭purplesnack


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741643#Comment_123741643

    Nothing, absolutely nothing, can ever justify what israel has done and continues to do. Israel is a terrorist state.



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  • #50272
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741929#Comment_123741929

    In addition to your summary, important to note that France condemned the move as well as the UN and Francesca Albanese. Undoubtedly all will be accused (again) of being antisemitic etc.

    France joined the ICC in denouncing the US move, expressing "dismay" as one of its judges, Nicolas Guillou, was among those sanctioned. France's foreign ministry criticised the sanctions as "in contradiction to the principle of an independent judiciary", the news agency AFP reported.

    UN's human rights chief previously demanded the US withdraw its sanctions on the four judges, saying the decision runs directly counter to "respect for the rule of law". In July, the US also sanctioned UN Human Rights Council special rapporteur Francesca Albanese, who has been a prominent critic of Israel's military offensive in Gaza.

    Rubio cited Albanese's support for the ICC and her participation in the court's decisions to prosecute US or Israeli nationals as justification for the move. In response, Albanese reposted support for the ICC on social media, saying she came from the court's founding country Italy, where lawyers and judges had "defended justice at great cost and often with their own life". "I intend to honour that tradition," she added in the post.



  • #50273
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741931#Comment_123741931

    There's really no "could" about it. They already flattened Khan Younis - Gaza city will be next - no doubt. The bulldozers are ready to go…



  • #50274
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123741961#Comment_123741961

    Israel has been at it for 685 days now.

    For all the talk of their "superior" military (with the best of equipment), with crack specialist units and controlling 80% of Gaza, that Hamas appear not to be defeated* is down to one of two things:

    1. Israeli military is not what its made out to be
    2. Israeli is lying - Hamas was defeated a long time ago (*the IDF stated Hamas was defeated last Autumn) - the current campaign is absolutely nothing to do with Hamas or hostages - its pure Genocide with the intent of annexing Gaza in its entirely

    On the basis of 685 days of lies from Israel, I'm leaning towards option 2.



  • #50275
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123742008#Comment_123742008

    Jesus - that's powerful.

    The analogy to the Nazis and Fascism, with video clips, is uncanny. And true.

    Israel cannot help itself. It needs to be stopped. Words are no longer enough.



  • #50276
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123742269#Comment_123742269

    If you read that report and had no idea when it was talking about, you'd swear it was a campaign of extermination in WWII.

    The evidence piling up for Israeli Genocide and War Crimes is incontrovertible.

    Justice must be service - War Criminals to rot in The Hague and Israel to be found by the ICJ of committing Genocide.

    No wonder the US is sanctioning the ICC - their powerful Israeli lobby sees it and knows that if/when it happens, Israel will be a World Pariah forever more.

    The World's public already sees Israel's actions as utterly abhorrent and reminiscent of the Holocaust. But International Justice must also be seen to be done.



  • #50277
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123742323#Comment_123742323

    Nail on the head - great comment.



  • #50278
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123742323#Comment_123742323

    The creeps in US politics having a go at us over Gaza are literallly on the payroll of the Israelis, being paid money to say what they say.



  • #50279
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    BBC verify has confirmed IDF build up in Gaza and also ther removal of Palestinian "displacement" camps - i.e. tents. God knows where they shipped the inhabitants to - unless they just executed them.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/ce3jg32g440t?post=asset%3A39498acc-1d86-4527-95ce-420b589f94ab#post


  • #50280
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123742323#Comment_123742323

    It's an element thats always been there -

    "What need you, being come to sense,
    But fumble in a greasy till
    And add the halfpence to the pence
    And prayer to shivering prayer, until
    You have dried the marrow from the bone;
    For men were born to pray and save;
    Romantic Ireland's dead and gone,
    It's with O'Leary in the grave."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_1913_%28poem%29



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  • #50281
    dmcdona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Latest news in from Haaretz.

    • Netanyahu is delaying the response to the hostage release proposal (spoiler alert - he has never cared about the hostages).
    • Opinion piece warns of Israeli society falling apart
    • Britain accuse Israel of breaches of International law (the E1 plan) and Germany "strongly opposes" the plan. Words only - no meaningful action
    • US Democrats accuse Israel of publicly admitting to targeting and murdering journalists.

    Two days after Hamas said it accepted mediators' proposal for a partial hostage release/cease-fire deal, PM Netanyahu is still delaying Israel's official response and has yet to formally schedule a meeting of the security cabinet to discuss the matter. Sources told Haaretz that Israel's response is being formulated under deliberate secrecy, and that Netanyahu's close circle could not say when he intends to finalize a decision. On Wednesday, Channel 12 News reported that Netanyahu confidant Ron Dermer, the head of Israel's negotiating team, met in Paris with senior Qatari officials on the issue.

    Hostages' family members called on the Netanyahu government to accept the deal, with Bar Godard, daughter of Manny Godard, who was killed and taken to Gaza by Hamas on October 7, saying that "those who have, for three days, refused to respond to a government-approved proposal, failed to convene a cabinet, and refused to meet have, in practice, chosen to sacrifice the hostages. This is a deliberate, planned, and organized move."

    "Even if we turn a blind eye to the painful ethical issues stemming from the ongoing disregard for the lives of others – and this includes the Israeli hostages still held by Hamas – we cannot ignore the futility of treating force as the be-all and end-all. It is not only impractical, as it cannot be sustained over time, but it also undermines our ability to convert operational gains into meaningful, lasting achievements. This clouds our long-term future. Maintaining a state of perpetual war is exacting a terrible and steadily mounting price – not only from others but also from our own society" – Ariel E. Levite

    Britain summoned Israel's ambassador following the government's approval of the settlement construction plan in the E1 area which would sever the northern West Bank from the south, calling it a "flagrant" violation of international law. German Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul said Berlin "strongly opposes" the plan, saying "such steps would be contrary to international law and would make a two-state solution impossible. That is why we strongly advise against moving further down this path." UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres urged Israel to reverse the decision, calling it "illegal."

    Seventeen Democratic senators, led by Jewish Senator Brian Schatz, wrote to President Trump that "Israel has not provided convincing evidence for its claim" that Al Jazeera journalist Anas al-Sharif, killed in an Israeli strike in Gaza earlier this month, was a Hamas militant, and that "it appears Israel is publicly admitting to targeting and killing journalists who have shown the world the scale of suffering in Gaza… a violation of international law."



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