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Destruction of our walls

  • 09-08-2025 07:18AM
    #1
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭


    Youth crime is a massive problem in our city.

    https://www.waterford-news.ie/news/waterford-citys-900-year-old-norman-walls-vandalised-great-escape-style_arid-66507.html



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  • #2
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,607 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058421617/destruction-of-our-walls

    very sad to see alright, but you must look deeper into why such behaviors occur, this generally occurs due to unmet needs, i.e. they need effective help, and punishment via our legal system, is not effective help, as it generally escalates such behaviors



  • #3
    Deiseen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123708741#Comment_123708741

    The only reason we have a crime problem is because there are menaces with 100+ previous convictions roaming our streets.

    They should be locked up forever after the first 10 violent convictions (at most) so they are kept away from the rest of us.



  • #4
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,607 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123709514#Comment_123709514

    and are you willing to pay higher taxes in order to make this happen?



  • #5
    Deiseen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123709575#Comment_123709575

    1000% yes as would most normal taxpayers.



  • #6
    Finnbar01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭Finnbar01


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123709514#Comment_123709514

    I wouldn't go as far as ten. Three is more than enough.



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  • #7
    Deiseen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123711008#Comment_123711008

    I agree. I just said 10 to try and appease the virtuous types.



  • #8
    LambshankRedemption
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,229 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123711008#Comment_123711008

    I think I posted this before, but in a taxi on the way to the airport in Las Vegas after a 4 day event me and my friend got talking to the cab driver and she was upset that her son had been sent down for a 5 year stretch in prison. When he was 16 he stole a car. She said, actually he only borrowed the neighbours car but he got pulled over and because he did'nt have the right documents, it was considered a misdemeanor(I may not have the right jargon), then he was found with a baggy of weed, and most recently he stole a Blu-Ray from a store, and as that was his 3rd conviction, mandatory minimums kicked in and it's 5 years in jail.

    Now I'd be the first to agree that that does sound harsh. On the other hand though, how f**king stupid do you have to be to risk 5 years in jail over a Blu Ray?

    While at the same time, guys wandering around your neighbourhood (and mine!) with 84 convictions is certainly too lenient. Could we come up with a happy medium? 9 strikes and you are out(or in, I should say, side Mountjoy for a couple of years)?



  • #9
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123709700#Comment_123709700

    But stricter sentencing even with youths doesn't reduce crime.
    Look at the USA, where they started to treat teenagers like adults when it came to courts and sentencing and give them longer sentences in prisons it created people that are actually more likely to re-offend when compared to when they were sentenced like children should be.

    Not to mention, the USA's approach to prison and long sentences should mean it should be a crime free utopia.
    Instead they have a country with 5% of the world's population but an insane 20% of the world's prison population and its not any more crime free.

    You know what does help reduce crime?

    Proper social support services, youth programmes so they have things to do and so energy can be directed into positive things. A far better use of tax payer money is to stop them going into a criminal path to begin with.

    Yes there are some crimes that will no doubt require long sentences and they are justified, but locking people up forever for 10 convictions (unless they are murder or something equally serious) is downright inhuman.



  • #10
    Deiseen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123738842#Comment_123738842

    10 violent convictions should absolutely result in a life sentence.



  • #11
    Isthisthingon?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 214 ✭✭Isthisthingon?


    The states' 3 strikes rule is often trotted out in these discussions.

    Is it flawed? absolutely , does that mean we have to implement it here? No. In fact we can learn from the mistakes of that system. At least there is the deterent /incentive of having 3 chances to stop commiting crime. Should you be in jail for life/ 20 years for stealing a CD? No seems harsh. Should you be considering stealing a CD knowing that if you are caught you could get 20 years ? ……Might and I say Might make you think again.

    Here we have NO DETERRENT anymore. Rack up the convictions , and to hell with the innocent people who have to suffer the consequences of career criminals being ENCOURAGED AT THIS STAGE to commit crime. No one has to except resonsibilty for thier actions, always someone else's fault ( Society being the buzzword - apparantly I'm to blame if some scroate damaged that wall - go figure). We are slowly tip towing down a path where anti social behaviour is tolerated and accepted as one of those things because we have no mechanism anymore to stop it. The genie is out of the bottle.

    The law makers and judges dont and never will live within an asses roar of these criminals and you can bet that if and when they lift the phone to call the guards its every available unit on the scene ASAP!



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  • #12
    SupaCat95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Why do we need to pay higher taxes? I am sure for a couple of hundred Euro, we can fix up some versatile Oak stocks. Ones that make you bend over or elevate the bare feet. I am available all day Saturday with a bamboo cane to remind them every 30 seconds why they must not deface the walls. After a few of them go through with it, they will find religion.



  • #13
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123740130#Comment_123740130

    Define what you'd consider a violent conviction.

    Somebody fighting after going out in a late night pub?



  • #14
    Deiseen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123752316#Comment_123752316

    Bit of a pattern if they've done that 10 times don't you think…



  • #15
    506972617465
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭506972617465


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123752316#Comment_123752316

    When something happens to you or your loved one, assuming the culprits even get prosecuted, you'll know exactly what "violent conviction" is. For people like you it's the only way to learn.



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