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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Continuing in my apparent role of looking up the news headlines, the original signing in DC was presided over by Rubio about two months ago, not last week, with the signatories later hosted by Trump in the Oval Office.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/27/africa/trump-drc-rwanda-peace-deal-intl

    CNN has this to say on it.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/19/politics/donald-trump-six-wars-claim

    Trump has proclaimed a “glorious triumph for the cause of peace” in a deal brokered between Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo. This contains important first steps on recognizing borders, renouncing war and disarming militia groups. However, no one expects the conflict to end soon, since the main Rwanda-backed M23 rebel group has rejected the agreement. Some analysts see the initiative, also brokered by Qatar, as a US attempt to secure mineral rights as part of an African “great game” against China.

    The overall assessment is that Trump has more achieved ceasefires than lasting peace. Some (eg Azerbaijan/Armenia) are more likely to move to long term success than others (Israel/Iran)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭technocrat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,202 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Well, that's changing the goalposts isn't it?

    How many 'ceasefires' has he achieved then?

    Also worth noting that Trump himself explicitly said yesterday that in all the 'peace deals' he achieved, they 'skipped the ceasefire, and went straight to peace'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,765 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Your counter argument is a comment from Trump.

    Mine is that it is illegal for him to cancel an election. The president has no constitutional authority to delay, postpone, or cancel an election. Even during wars, the recent pandemic, and national crises (such as the Civil War, World War II, and COVID-19), U.S. presidential elections have always been held on schedule.

    So yes, that is my counter argument. Are you following it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,562 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Post edited by everlast75 on

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 851 ✭✭✭technocrat


    You claimed it’s “impossible” for him to serve a 3rd term which isn’t necessarily true if he can exploit the below loophole.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx20lwedn23o

    Trump could be the vice-presidential running-mate to another candidate - perhaps his own vice-president, JD Vance - in the 2028 election.

    If they win, the candidate could be sworn into the White House and then immediately resign - letting Trump take over by succession.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,853 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Trump wrongly assumed that because some countries can delay elections during war, when martial law is declared, that the US can also. It's just Trump being stupid, nothing more.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I didn't set or move the goalposts. He wanted reference to the Congo peace deal. I provided the data correct as per CNN.

    If a ceasefire is a peace deal is open to opinion depending on the details. The flagship case for this is Korea. To answer the "how many" question you pose, i would direct the honorable gentleman to the CNN article which assesses each claimed instance to form his own opinions.

    Trump's statement about skipping ceasefire is not universally applicable, this is true, may well be optimistic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,765 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    You claimed it’s “impossible” for him to serve a 3rd term which isn’t necessarily true if he can exploit the below loophole.

    It is not a loophole, it is a grey area. The 12th Amendment states: “No person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President.” AKA, if you can't legally be president, you also can't be a vice-presidnet either.

    Even if that were to happen, it would pose a constitutional challenge, so it is not as straightforward as you are trying to make it.


    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx20lwedn23o

    Trump could be the vice-presidential running-mate to another candidate - perhaps his own vice-president, JD Vance - in the 2028 election.

    If this happened, it would end up in the Supreme Court. So it is pretty much impossible. It would likely be blokced by congress and the court, regardless of how the Supreme Court is stacked.

    What makes it even more impossible, Trump will be 82 towards the end of his presidency. He is already floundering and making little sense.

    What was used against Biden will be amplified against Trump.

    So yes, I stand by what I said, impossible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    I would hope that the institutions will hold out against this moron but don't forget that he has the entire GOP in his pocket, who currently control both houses and are currently working to gerrymander the sh!t out of Texas. Plus, Trump is now putting the National Guard on the streets of DC. I don't believe that militarising the country's capital is a coincidence. He could well use that situation to stay in power.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,212 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    The Fact that you think that this is normal/ok is extremely disturbing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Iecrawfc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    A 'grey area' ! you don't think the republicans wouldn't try to exploit a grey area!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,765 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Im sure some might, a lot can happen between now and then anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,905 ✭✭✭threeball


    That doesnt work because it only lasts as long as it takes the next person to get in his ear, tell him he's great then spin their worldview. People think they have it sussed but as we've seen in the past 6 months, he has been held to no position on anything so unless you have very short term goals, like crashing stocks for a week, then its all utterly useless.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    But it actually is normal and OK in the US?

    I mean, I get it, most people in Ireland don’t think it’s normal and OK to wear a sidearm around, or for the central government to not control school curricula, or whatever. They are called cultural differences, and apparently one of those cultural differences is that the idea that the concept that government legislators can be compelled to do their jobs has met with US nationwide voter and legal approval over the last century and a half.

    It’s not exactly an outlier in the US system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,711 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Your country is fucked. And that's me putting it mildly 😶



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,559 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    ”The First Amendment is to be used to help debate, not stifle it.” as ICE go around masked-up ripping down signs critical of them as they kidnap people off the street. But that’s grand



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,910 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Problem is, there are already embryonic death squads patrolling the streets of America. People are already being lifted by masked goonsand disappeared.

    The cost of resistance is getting exponentially higher unless something huge happens to de-rail the takeover

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,910 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    So your country has always just been cos-playing as a democracy.

    It is consistent

    Many of us knew it all along.

    Ban billionaires



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    I presume you refer to the video of the ICE personnel pulling down an unattended sign in a DC park? I guess they should have left the sign on private property, then the Feds couldn't have touched it. The regulations covering the placing of signs on public grounds are covered under the DC Code and have been pretty uncontroversial up until now. I guess it's possible there has never been a First Amendment challenge to it, but in which case the law stands.

    The whole posting it on X thing seemed a bit immature to me, but that doesn't make it illegal.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    What is undemocratic about ensuring that the votes of the represented shall be heard? In the American system, the vote of the legislator is not his or her personal vote, it is the representative vote of his constituents, it is not up to him or her to silence their vote by not showing up. I refer you back to the Nevada Ethics Commission case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,910 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Democracy is rule by the people. American democracy has been systemically divorced from the people by intergenerational corruption and refusal to move with the times.

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,910 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    And a recent huge lurch to fascism even by historic standards

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    So if a group of masked men show up to arrest me and they do not identify themselves and they are armed, I assume I am legally justified in using reasonable force to defend myself which would include gunshots. Is it not inevitable that this will happen to ice?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭somenergy


    This sounds just about right biden was never this bad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,212 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    And therein lies the problem, do you think female genital mutilation, underage marriage, Honour killing, or stoning a woman to death for adultery are acceptable just because they're "cultural differences"?

    You cant "compel" someone to do their job by literally holding them against their will!

    You say she was arrested so I have some questions

    1: Who arrested her (where/when)?

    2: what were the specific charges?

    3: Who is the judge that she was bought before?

    4: Do you have a link to the judgment where it was ordered do her to be detained in that chamber/building until she signs a (cant believe I'm writing this) permission slip and agrees to her freedom of movement being reduced/scrutinised by law enforcement officers?



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    eh I clearly remember you boasting about checks and balances and how those make the US unique (lie)

    Now that Trump is dismantling those checks and balances you are busy cheering for him

    Some “culture”

    Aside: Americans wouldn’t know what culture is if it was twerking on their faces, the words you were searching for are “societal norms”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,326 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Covid Version 2?

    DJT: "The CDC have identified a new strain of the Covid virus, as a result, we are implementing Lockdown again, and as a result, postponing the upcoming elections. Don't try injecting bleach. RFK Jr tried it and now is not as eloquent a speaker as he used to be. "



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,793 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Clearly Trump would be happy to make Ukraine a sacrificial lamb - his press conference with Zelensky showed that he’s only focused on ratings and opinion polls and me me me- Zelensky hardly got a look in- and of course it’s all Biden’s fault, not Putin.

    Trumps lack of criticism of Putin is telling- I imagine he’s made a deal- we’ll deliver of whole heap of Ukraine to you in return for….???

    What America gets in return who knows but knowing how Trump operates, you’d be plain thick to think there isn’t one.

    His current focus on funding the completion of the border wall is telling- he’s added something like $46 billion to the budget- he’s also now designating many parts of the border as military zones, allowing the arrest and incarceration of anyone found there- meaning any immigrant crossing the border illegally is fcked - they’re immediately guilty of a crime - goodbye green card.

    This will certainly help with the interim elections - BUT- as always, it’s the economy- stagflation is still a risk into the future- job creation is not what it should be and prices of goods are rising.

    So, expect a lot more distractions from all of this from Trump over the coming months- the worse the economy gets the more he’ll talk about anything other than the economy



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