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Beef Welfare Scheme 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,746 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I phoned Oldcastle labs - €100 for the three silage samples (sandwich sized bags) or they will send you out 10 dung sample pots. Five pots to be sent in the first time and it costs €50 for either a fluke or worm test or €100 for both fluke and worms. Then a month later you have to send in the next five dung sample pots and pay again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    Meal feeding plus I'll do the vaccination option as I always do them for Blackleg.

    From what I understand for forage sampling you have to purchase 3 kits, I think they are around 40 each, but I am unsure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭limo_100


    wel it is well worth doing the silage testing just a stupid way of doing it always get my silage sampled for free in the local co op now I have to pay should have had the option to just submit the results



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭irishguy19772


    Thanks for getting the pricing. What an absolute joke of a scheme so. No more monies than previous year and more work to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭Silverdream


    I was hoping they'd have increased the payment for meal feeding to at least 50/head but either way i would have been buying meal so it is a help



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 905 ✭✭✭Sugarbowl


    can you not test your silage for free at the co-op and the results be proof that you got it done. Or must you show proof of payment?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    I am going to test my silage anyway as I have found other years the fluke & worm testing didn't really provide any results. Plus our vet is doing that now as part of some initiative to reduce dosing used.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,017 ✭✭✭✭893bet


    is there any way a silage corer can be rented?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭limo_100


    last year was only 50euro so it is up but in fairness with this scheme I don't think they check it I have not heard of anyone ever having an inspection over it. I know some who don't do vax on any of the calves



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭irishguy19772


    Checked me for meal feeding receipts before



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭ABitofsense


    I've being checked, very easy just to submit receipt to them so was handy enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,548 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Given that the farmgate price of beef has jumped substantially over the last year, why are the taxpayers providing more subsidies to farmers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    The money received by the farmer will have to be diverted to the feed merchants, Vaccine manufacturers, lab testing and forage testing. The farmer has to show proof that he did all of the above, any bit left will be taxed as profit.

    Terms & conditions attached

    https://assets.gov.ie/static/documents/BeefWelfareScheme2025TermsandConditions120825.pdf



  • Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭WoozieWu


    are you lost

    how do you think subsidies work out of interest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,548 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-api/agriculturalpriceindicesjune2025/

    • In the 12 months to June 2025, the Agricultural Output Price Index increased by 18.9% while the Agricultural Input Price Index rose slightly by 0.6%.

    This doesn't sound like a sector that need subsidies.

    Selling prices up 19% in a year, input costs up 0.6%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,548 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Cattle prices are up 43.6% over the last year.

    I like farmers a lot, and I support the CAP, in general and with qualifications, but I do not agree with the domestic taxpayer paying for more subsidies on top of the CAP.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 389 ✭✭WoozieWu


    time to pack up so lads and ladies

    @Geuze has spoken

    what will you do with yourself when boards closes down?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,501 ✭✭✭Grueller


    According to teagasc, cattle rearing farms (beneficiaries of this scheme) are projected to have average income of €25,000. That looks like a small income to me, family income support levels of income, so would be the definition of needing subsidies?

    Correct me if I'm wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭Who2


    the subsidies are dying out, between inflation leaving them barely worthwhile and the various hoops that need to be jumped through so that an post, the labs, the advisors and researchers, the consultants the co ops, feed merchants and any other person they can get to pull a turn out of it, has nearly all the money gone before anything lands. Then they can use it as a stick to beat you with when you don’t follow their rules.

    It’s fairly clear most subs are going to be withdrawn and Agri prices are highly likely being inflated so that there won’t be as much backlash.
    I can also see it being a perfect time to cause a divide on the price of food between farmer and the general public and creating an ideal opportunity to justify bringing in cheap meat from Brazil.

    At the end of the day most farmers aren’t going to get rich of a year or two of high beef prices and a lot will be happy to get their accounts back to above zero.

    Sorry for the rant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,746 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    The suckler herd has declined by 300k head in the last 10 years and I reckon that rate has accelerated in the past two years due to the organic scheme.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 194 ✭✭Diarmuid B


    Farmlab are charging €50 for the silage kit and €55 for the faecal kits on their website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭limo_100


    when into the scheme to apply and all it says is application list with notting to select anyone else seen this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,328 ✭✭✭amacca


    It might also be a point that those that have to buy back in animals will have to pay those high prices as well..I'm looking at easily 2.5x the replacement cost this autumn (probably 3x) for a product that might be worth less in 18/24 months time then what I paid for it if I want to stay on the merry go round

    Geuze I'd accept no subsidies if the if you could backdate it before all the interference in the market that depressed the price of agricultural produce for decades to below cost of production

    And if there was some sort of body with teeth that could regulate the sectors that seem to always have their margin protected while the producer working away in the shite takes what they can get when it comes to margin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 rococo21


    If I have done all my calves twice for blackleg already.

    Can I still claim the money for it even though it was before the scheme started ?

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭hopeso


    As far as I know, yes you can… In the event of an inspection, you'll need receipts from when you bought it, and probably best to have it recorded in the animal remedies register, even though there isn't a withholding period.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51 ✭✭dowlerswozere




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Did you click on the 3 dots on the right hand side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 SaxySaxSolo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Katie 2018


    I can get two free dung samples done through my vets.its some scheme I'm signed into.i wonder would that do for this scheme



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    Faecal Testing t&c

    "A record must be kept by each participant on the purchase and use of test kits. Test kits must
    be purchased no later than 13 October 2025 and participants must retain copies of all receipts
    of purchase. The action must be carried out as outlined in 9.3.1 if Faecal Testing is selected at
    application stage."



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