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Aircoach Route Changes and General Discussion.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Aircoach & Irish Rail have unveiled a new ticket which allows passengers to add a transfer from an Irish Rail service to connect with an Aircoach route to Dublin Airport.

    The new ticket allows people to connect with the 702 at Dublin Pearse & the 700/700X at Drumcondra. To make the booking for the ticket for the Aircoach connection to the Airport; you click on the section named extras to book the Aircoach add-on from the Irish Rail website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭AX636


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    Picture was up on limekiln

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    "Dublin Airport Flyer" is an interesting addition (a simple rebadged of the previous "Glasgow Airport Flyer" branding?). Decals on the side look to still be the Glasgow branding so would presume so.

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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Of all the First Group vehicles that they could have sent over to Dublin that were available, these were always going to be by far the best choice, so it's good that they have gone ahead with them rather than some other vehicles that were not really designed or an airport service, so we need to give First credit for that, this was a very good choice commercially.

    However as I've stated on here before, Aircoach don't have a great general recent track record with commercial strategy over the past couple of yaears (But to fair I have seen a small amount of improvement in the last couple of months) and to pull off turning a coach service into a bus service and to make that commercially successful against the competition, it is going to take an extremely well executed strategy.

    They need to get their marketing right, they need to undercut Dublin Express (for me if it's a Dublin Airport Flyer bus vs a Dublin Express coach for the same price, the coach wins) and to also be very commercially savvy. I think there is potential in a service that is somewhere between a city bus and an express coach service at a lower price than a coach as that essentially what Airlink did very well for years and that is something if Aircoach get their strategy right and really back such a service and give it the push it needs, could work.

    However the branding of that vehicle posted above seems very confused. It's a bus with the name Aircoach (twice!) on the front. Then it has a sub-brand which is Dublin Airport Flyer, which as you say, almost feels like it has been chosen because it's easier to do that than have to make more substantial changes to the livery. And a new service/brand like this needs a good push with proper marketing, not scrimping on costs wherever possible.

    Also how will ticketing work if we're going to have the 700 as a coach and 700X as a bus as rumoured?

    • Will they have the 700X as the Airport Flyer and the 700 still as Aircoach? Will tickets be valid on both services? If so, then basically that means the Flyer service is going to be pegged to the price of the coach, which means they're not going to be able to exploit the niche between a city bus and full coach like Airlink used to, unless they just undercut Dublin Express totally.
    • And if tickets are not valid, then you've literally made the service less attractive in the city centre, because you're saying that people that can take a 700 or 700x every 15 minutes now, will now be restricted to a bus every 30 minutes because of some artificial seperation which is going to push them straight into the arms of a competitor.

    It's going to be interesting to see how this turns out.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I'd say they'll use a mix of coaches and buses maybe buses predominantly on the 700X and coaches predominantly on the 700. They'll need to be flexible based on what's in maintenance at any given time as with any bus or coach operation.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    I don't think in my opinion charging the same price as Dublin Express for a service that is going to be sometimes a bus and sometimes a coach is as attractive as the guaranteed coach and the much more frequent service that Dublin Express offers.

    That's before we talk about the fact that the whole idea of the service being under the Aircoach brand still where it is going to be a bus is very odd. You would think that the best solution if we're going down the route of buses is making the primary brand for the 700/700X as Dublin Airport Flyer and phasing the Aircoach name out after a transitional period. Or maybe they will do what some companies in the UK have done recently which is refer to a double decker bus a double decker coach even though it's not?

    Aircoach squandered their position as the leading operator on the Dublin Airport to Dublin City centre corridor so they need to make themselves more attractive than the competition now to win those customers back. I don't think an inconsistent service provision at a price that is the same as it's much more consistent rival is the most ideal approach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    It didn't seem to hinder DB when they ran the Airlink which they charged a similar price point to the Aircoach iirc. And these buses are a far nicer spec than the VGs that were on the Airlink. I really don't see a huge advantage of a coach on such a short run.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,227 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Do these Dublin Airport Flyer buses for Aircoach have a diesel engine in them or are they hybrid/electric vehicles?

    I do recall there were some posts made by posters here much earlier in this thread which said that these buses were going to be second hand vehicles coming over from the UK market & then reallocated to provide this Airport Flyer service in Dublin.

    So again; are these buses 2nd hand or are they new buses made straight off the Alexander Dennis production line?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Dublin Bus were charging 6 euro single at a time that Aircoach were charging 8 euro single which is a 25% discount in the last couple of years of Airlink. I know many people who were literally taking Airlink over Aircoach because it was cheaper. Aircoach is not competing with Airlink anymore, it is competing with Dublin Express.

    The other things that Airlink had going for it was that a lot of the passenger flow came from those going to Connolly, Busaras and Heuston and a lot of the customers were using monthly and yearly passes that included that service. Neither of these are things that Aircoach can benefit from, so how they price this service is absolutely critical to how well it performs against DX as they are currently well behind.

    If Aircoach are going to follow the Airlink bus model, then they need to understand how that service pitched itself in the market as something between a city bus and an express coach and the pricing reflected that and that is why it is successful for so many years. Dumbing down the product (to a bus) which is already inferior to that of Dublin Express, without reducing the price to reflect that change, for me, just makes an even stronger case to pick Dublin Express for potential passengers.

    Double deckers can carry more people (which is useful when there are driver shortages in the industry) and be turned around more quickly than coaches and this in itself should drive an efficiency which should help improve yields and therefore allow you to lower prices a little bit versus using a 53 seat coach that the luggage compartment needs to be opened at every stop for.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    They're Ex First Glasgow diesels that are 6 years old, which ironically have recently been replaced with electrics that have a livery which looks very similar to the former Dublin Bus Airlink livery!

    I've seen other photos of the ex Glasgow vehicles in the new Aircoach bright pink livery though (but been asked not to share) and they really do stand out. If they brand it up well and maintain it, it really is going to be striking and turn heads, so lets give Aircoach credit for that at least.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 Gold7


    Will these new buses just be used on the 700X, could the 702 out to Dun Laoghaire and Dalkey see any of the new buses. ?



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,973 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    There's only 7 of them, so I can't see them turning up on other routes unless there is some kind of disruption or a shortage of vehicles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Thought they increased it to €7 towards the end. The Airlink always seemed to be busy with tourists as opposed to locals going to the airport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    According to a post on tapatalk (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/irishtransport/viewtopic.php?p=148967#p148967), one of the Matthews 2017 reg tri-axle 9700s is being transferred to Aircoach, and will be painted in the Aircoach colours.



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