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Sudan Crisis

  • 10-08-2025 11:12PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭


    Horrific stuff happening out there, so many crisis points out there, potential to get much worse as well.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjel2nn22z9o



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,439 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Saw something on it the other day. Rape is apparently routine. Horrific stuff all round.

    Where are the musical groups highlighting this atrocity? Maybe it's not popular enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Noworries!


    It's mad that it presumably is only going to get worse, no-one seems willing or able to intercede. Yeah, definitely seems to be overshadowed by Gaza, although Ukraine seems to bump up and down in the news to be fair



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,876 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Not sure why this isn't as newsworthy as Gaza or Ukraine.

    But I suppose only the media outlets can answer this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Noworries!


    Same with Syria, starting to slide into war again, but nowhere near the same level of activism or support.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 775 ✭✭✭SVI40


    Possibly because people are jaded of all these local wars?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,806 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Kneecap haven't started preaching yet so it isn't cool enough. Only one thing is cool to focus on at a time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    It's yet another tribal and ethnic civil war that's almost impossible to prevent which is probably why no one wants to intercede. And sadly almost a routine state of affairs in many parts of Africa. Which might explain why it's not on the front pages every day compared to Gaza and Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Some horrible atrocities there atm. I think they supress it in the media because a lot of western countries were bigging up the new leader when he came in and they don't want to lose face.

    Everyone else could see they were putting the fox in charge of the henhouse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,260 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Much of Africa is a basket case. The EU would be bonkers to try and do anything, or anything more then already being done…there are multiple pathetic wars and conflicts of various scales across that continent. Hand in hand with mass government corruption, mass crime, violence .. all manner of grim goings on. We shouldn’t be concerning ourselves.

    Politicians and citizens of the EU should be focusing on improving our lot and addressing our own challenges. Never mind anyone else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Noworries!


    Some valid points here, lots of Africa in almost constant states of conflict, people probably are jaded, terrible all the same, so much loss of life.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,709 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    When it's black people killing each other nobody cares. And when it's been funded by an Arab state nobody calls it out. Yemen got scant coverage despite being absolutely horrific.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Noworries!


    It is interesting to see that nobody will parade around at the weekend protesting this, despite the potential for loss being far higher than Gaza. Or change their profile to show support. I suppose it being different factions of the government makes it more difficult to choose sides, 25 million experiencing extreme hunger though, that's crazy figures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,891 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It seems Qatar, Saudi Arabia,and Dubai get a free pass when it comes to funding/assisting shady groups. I remember when Bibi assured Joe Hamas members in Qatar would not be targeted shortly after the October 7th attacks. It barely got any coverage. The US could end what is happening in some of these conflict zones but they won't bring allies to heal whether it's Dubai, Qatar or Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,806 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its the arabs funding it that gets it a pass as well as Sudan being unfashionable, can't be accusing Arabs of terrorism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,156 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    While I do empathise with that thought process. It's just simply too disconnected a conflict from Ireland.

    To keep keep things specific to Ireland Israel/Palestine is front and centre due to colonial involvement and continued support of America and the UK. Two countries Ireland has close links and history with.

    Then you've Russia/Ukraine an invasion basically on the EU's doorstep so again it has that almost local link in geopolitical terms.

    The situation in Sudan then is basically a civil war after a power vacuum from the coup a few years ago. There's nothing really in Ireland to protest or boycott or apply social/moral pressure to that could have any impact on the situation there. No tangible local link.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Hasn't Sudan been in crisis since the early 2000's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,200 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    To keep keep things specific to Ireland Israel/Palestine is front and centre due to colonial involvement and continued support of America and the UK. Two countries Ireland has close links and history with.


    Not because of greater colonial involvement: the British Empire’s involvement with Palestine began after WW1 and ended in 1948, so barely 30 years.

    Sudan OTOH was a British possession from 1899 until 1956. Nearly 6 decades. So that doesn’t explain the disinterest.

    And not US involvement either: the US has been far more involved in the hell on earth that is Haiti these days, including ruling it directly by martial law for some years (at the request of a US bank) and manipulating it behind the scenes for decades after that, but it seems nobody in Ireland cares about Haiti.

    It’s hard to avoid the conclusion that it’s simply No Jews No News. Which is bizarre for Ireland given how few Jews there are here.

    To get back to Sudan, yes it seems there’s a real disaster happening there:

    Nearly 40 percent of children under five in al-Fashir are now acutely malnourished, with 11 percent suffering from severe acute malnutrition

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,457 ✭✭✭CPTM


    Apparently the problem with Sudan is that the areas affected are geographically and logistically very difficult for journalists to cover.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,009 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    This is old news. Its been on brink for years.

    Its stinks as much as anything bad in world but nobody cares really.

    EVENFLOW



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,171 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I know Sudanese people who can't tell me who the "good and bad" guys are so anyone comparing it to Palestine or Ukraine honestly just sounds like they are having a go at those worthy causes.

    Thread seems to have filled up with the usual "if you don't protest every war shut up about Isreal" zoinist boot lickers.

    About 2% of the people on here who claim to care about Sudan actually give a sht about Sudan.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,200 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    But it’s not necessary to pick sides to want to help the civilians who are caught up in what is basically gang warfare.

    It’s sounds like you think the only reason to take an interest in a foreign conflict is to cheer on “our side”. If there’s no “right side” should we throw up our hands and tell them to get on with raping women and starving children?

    (There’s a similar problem in Haiti, FWIW.)

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,171 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Hard to protest what is hard to understand. Palestine is simple because one side and only one is causing mass genocide and Russia is easy because one invaded the other.

    If you care so much (you dont) feel free to start a "stop the war" or stop all wars protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,891 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    It's possible for two things to be wrong; Arabs funding terrorism is wrong, as is

    Israel engaging in state terrorism in the West Bank. You should be appalled that a convicted terrorist is still part of the Israeli government, but due to your cowardice you can't be seen to criticise Israel . Well done on using the Sudanese conflict to deflect from criticising Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Noworries!


    One could argue that it's difficult for journalists to cover Gaza too, albeit for a different reason. I think in the modern age, there's very few areas that can't be reached.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    That is true, what do you want to be done about it all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,563 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Ireland and the EU should be providing much more humanitarian assistance to Sudan. People should not be starving to death.

    Trump, should not have cut of the USAID programmes in Sudan, but he's a c*nt so what can we do about that?

    That said, Sudan is a huge geographic area and it is extremely difficult to get aid to the people who need it, the infrastructure is very poor and it would be extremely dangerous for aid workers to travel in convoys deep into the conflict zones where they are almost guaranteed to be attacked by one side or the other.

    We should be doing more, but the question is, what should we be doing more of?

    The UN have already put sanctions on the people accused of carrying out genocide there, the country itself is economically destitute

    The UN should sanction any country are selling weapons or facilitating the massacre of civilians in Sudan or profiting from the conflict, but I don't know enough about the situation to say whether thats happening or not, and we have seen the genocide in Rwanda that happened with machetes, so cutting off international arms sales doesn't necessarily stop a genocide…

    With Ukraine and Gaza, we know what needs to be done, Russia needs to withdraw and Israel need to stop the genocide.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    It is kicking off in Angola too. Not a good time to be a Chinese person over there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,200 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Palestine is simple because one side and only one is causing mass genocide

    So now there’s “genocide” and there’s “mass genocide”, is there? Interesting.

    I’m sure you can quote the legal definition that distinguishes between the two - can’t you?

    Because if you’re just making that second one up so as to avoid acknowledging that Palestine is NOT simple, because Hamas has repeatedly expressed its intention to destroy Israel altogether - genocide by any definition- it would be hard to avoid the conclusion that you are being disingenuous. Or worse.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Wonder where Paul Murphy is? Perhaps, he should pay DRC a visit? Help bring attention to the issue?

    Will he ****, hell will freeze over first.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    I think Paul has had his fill of foreign diplomacy trips. 👀



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