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Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Dear lord, not what it is for. It's for imminent danger or to avoid accidents. Unless he was going to be the cause, then it was illegal. So he was breaking the law one way or the other.

    For those of us who have actually driven a HGV, that driver could have easily overtaken with space and been on his way without issue. So his driving was either malicious or incompetent. Either way, these are not traits I like to see in the driver of a HGV.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i can't remember whether it was boards or facebook or elsewhere, but i once remember seeing a discussion where several people said they would habitually beep before or while passing a cyclist - to 'let them know i'm here' - and seemed to sincerely think they were Doing The Right Thing. at least, they got quite defensive when cyclists repeatedly said to them 'please don't do that'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,505 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 738 ✭✭✭ARX


    I'm happy for drivers to give a quick beep of the horn if they're about to pass. That's correct use of the horn. But that rarely (like once a year) happens. The principal use of the horn is as a "f**k you" button (happily, this also rarely happens to me - I can't remember the last time it happened).



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Is it correct use? Would a motorist do it to another motorist?

    I'd rather they don't beep and instead overtake me as if I'm another car and give me proper space.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    It's not correct use. I do it when travelling on the N7/M7 in particular with middle and outer lane hoggers travelling below the speed limit. I quick use of the horn to alert them of my presence and that I'm continuing at the cruising speed in the driving lane.

    Can't think of an incident where it's appropriate when travelling behind or overtaking a cyclist. Pedestrians should either be on a footpath or walking against the flow of traffic so not appropriate there either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 134 ✭✭Johnners1878


    I sometimes do a jolly little double bip-bip when passing a cyclist (only a proper lycra-clad one on a road bike) by way of greeting and communication, "I'm one of you too". Is that an acceptable use of the horn?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭JMcL


    I actually had a driver do that at the weekend - can't remember the last time it happened. There was no need, I knew there was a car there and there was plenty of space to safely overtake. It's not valid use of the horn, and I'd rather they didn't but as Cabaal says just overtake safely.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    That's not the code Lycra clad cyclists use. You need to tap out 'la cucaracha' which is the greeting we use.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    It used to be correct in the south of France many years ago, you had to give a beep before passing, but that was a long time ago, not sure if it remain the law but it was enforced going by the seriousness that everyone done it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,406 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    Spot on Andrew, that's exactly what they're attempting. I hadn't heard anything regarding my compliant in over a week so sent a chaser mail yesterday evening. Got a reply from a compliance officer that they won't be able to investigate under the Consolidated Taxi Regulation Acts 2013/2016 as they need evidence that the vehicle was being operated for hire or reward.

    Well I thought that was obvious; 1: the taxi plate is clearly on display 2: The driver is using an active bus lane which he was quick to highlight and as per the NTA website, "A taxi can use a normal (with-flow) bus lane only while it is operating as an SPSV – carrying a passenger, on the way to pick up a pre-booked customer, or plying for hire. Taxis must not use bus lanes if they are not operating as an SPSV" 3: The driver can be clearly heard saying he has a witness and sure enough he did have a back seat passenger.

    Anyway have replied back with your suggestion that the compliant is regarding the conduct and behaviour of the SPSV driver quoting the specifics so will see what other excuse they formulate after a week or more to sit on their hands as another toothless regulatory body.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Can't believe the cheek of the regulator, you'd almost think their job was to protect drivers not govern them.

    Did they disclose what evidence would be acceptable?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Imagine if those responsible for enforcement put half the effort into actual enforcement that they put into weaseling out of doing their jobs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    and people wonder why AGS f**k up so many RTA prosecutions…



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    WTAF? That Garda has essentially stated the whole process of submitting camera footage to the gardai is illegal.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How often to AGS appeal to the public for dashcam footage?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    The utter ignorance of it is staggering. And the lack of judgement to put it in writing is extraordinary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    That's going to bite them back surely? What an idiotic decision to commit that in writing.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I often criticise this guy but F*ck me, that Garda is, well, I am shocked. I defend the AGS alot, they have alot to deal with but F*ck me, this lad should be out on his ear. This is shocking that the Garda at no point thought to check with his Super or, even better thought, I typed this out, got it out of my system, time to delete. Most people would and have got fired for such emails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,336 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    The suspicion is however that this email was approved by a superior and still allowed to pass as acceptable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    That email is wild. Doubly so considering AGS are frequently appealing for dashcam footage, which by the letter of that email, would be illegal for someone to have.

    Regarding the Act referenced, I presume the text is not correct? On a common sense basis, it can't be. a 10 second Google led me to the Data Protection Commission website, which states that "..taking photographs of people in public is generally allowed and most likely will qualify for the household exemption..", so on the face of it it seems that the email is 100% incorrect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 209 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    I think the distinction is that generally dash cam footage is incidental, where actually going looking for offenses is data control.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Schorpio


    It's not at all clear that the person was seeking out offenses to film - the email just refers to a 'biased agenda', whatever that means.

    Language aside, that argument still doesn't hold up. I'm not aware that there's any regulation regarding the intent of the journey in relation to the use of dashcams. Their usage is either allowed, or it's not.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,350 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    There is no data protection issue collecting videos for the purpose of road safety or crime detection (within sensible reason e.g. you're not following someone around waiting on them to commit an offence).
    However, what was (allegedly) written by a member of AGS was complete nonsense and (allegedly) sent to the recipient with the intention of fobbing them off. Many people who have reported traffic offences such as close passes to AGS have been similarly fobbed off so I'm not surprised it happened - just surprised that a garda would be stupid enough to put that in writing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭JMcL


    One of the major exceptions to GDPR is with regard to law enforcement so he hasn't got a leg to stand on. I've long been sceptical about AGS using GDPR to hide behind - especially with regard to illegal parking. Why number plates are covered by GDPR escapes me as identification of any individual requires access to the relevant database which is highly restricted.

    Even assuming he is a data controller he has the right to film in a public place (otherwise all the CCTV cameras and doorbells would be for the bin). His legal basis is exactly the same as dashcam footage, and I assume that he's not building up terabytes of this stuff to spend his nights watching back so as regards the "personal data" I presume he only holds onto it for as long as it takes to report it, otherwise it gets wiped thus complying with the "only retain the personal data for as long as required" part of GDPR.

    The guard is an asshat



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    No one goes looking for offences. Any road user will see piles of offences on every journey.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 28,711 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Seems so,

    Also, their logic means no driver has a valid reason for having a dashcam in their car.
    Complete bullshit.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,721 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Haven't had any for awhile and then two together. First a small van overtook with oncoming traffic coming up to a bend. Oncoming traffic had to brake, he left me with millimetres and then proceeded to drift over to nearly go head first into the next car.

    Well I tell you I invented a few new words, that while never before heard the meaning of which was crystal clear.

    A few minutes later, a local lorry driver, started an overtake on a descent coming out of the local village, approaching a blind bend. My spider senses went off and I hauled my brakes to a stop. No idea how I knew, maybe just luck, but he then swung back in to where I would have been where thankfully the oncoming car was also able to brake and not get faceplanted by a truck.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,503 ✭✭✭Be right back


    https://x.com/___KR111BACKUP/status/1954545886211514586

    Not saying the driver was right but why did he do that with the bike?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,425 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Being an idiot?



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