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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,029 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I see lots of protests in Israel asking for an end to the war and get the hostages back.

    Nethanyahu says no, we must continue and get rid pf Hamas, he doesn't care about the hostages BB, he must realise he isn't going to get them back alive with this course of action he is pursuing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,094 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The pro Israel/IDF folks absolutely detest you for calling out the truth day after day. They lurk all day looking for some obscure point to make and then run away when countered. It's sad.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,854 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    20 hostages held by Hamas vs thousands of hostages held by Israel

    20 hostages suffering from starvation because Israel are blockading food vs thousands of hostages showing signs of starvation, beatings and torture because the Zionists cannot help themselves

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/27/palestinian-released-by-israel-show-signs-of-torture-starvation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,239 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    No obscure points here, just facts, seems the anti Israel folks detest someone pointing out the obvious and try to counter it with reams of propaganda.

    Its sad really…..I suppose the tunnel network in Gaza built itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Israel built the tunnels in the 80s when they had control over Gaza.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,094 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Ok let's try this, discuss the hostages with dmcdona for more than say 5 posts without running away. Answer his questions and counter his points honestly etc. Your drop a "bomb" and run away style is tiresome.

    No more student union guff?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,239 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    https://www.reuters.com/graphics/ISRAEL-PALESTINIANS/GAZA-TUNNELS/gkvldmzorvb/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    What is the obsession with tunnels anyway? Israel supporters seem to view Gaza having tunnels as some sort of crime against humanity. Everywhere has tunnels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I have consistently documented the plight of the Israeli hostages and of their families.

    Its odd that the usual one line posts stating "the war will end when the hostages are released" never go any further - no discussion points, no commentary on of the details of the Israeli protests, the thoughts of families and the thoughts of the hostages that have been freed - many of whom are actively calling out their Government's lack of action.

    All these posters have left is the cheap shot drive-by posts that add nothing to the discourse.

    I'll continue to call them out for it not least because they are in fact disingenuous to the Israeli hostages and care as much about them as alleged War Criminal #1 (at large).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Israel has demanded the Red Cross are allowed to attend to the Israeli Hostages whilst simultaneously preventing the Red Cross from attending to Palestinian prisoners/detainees. Hypocrites.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You might do us all a favour and point out the facts of your most recent very short post - which seems a fact-free zone to me anyhow:

    Those holding the hostages seem quite happy to let the current situation fester on?

    I see very little 5 message monologues highlighting their activities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,913 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Can I ask a question for those who have been following the particular issue. Have people in the security apparatus of Israel been held to account for massive **** up the October 7th was from a security stand point ?

    Also, I can’t understand how the government at this stage can’t see the horrible optics the situation in Gaza. It really does seem the government have a focus that doesn’t allow any ability to understand this.

    Have holocaust survivors been for or against this mess in Gaza ? I would think they would be a powerful voice of reason given what they went through and survived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭purplesnack


    Can you really see Israel do that though? They don't even see the Palestinians as human



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Here FPS, I'll let you in on a little secret….

    You're simply arguing with a little contrarian here. If not an Israeli lad called Eli tapping away in his Hasbara centre, a racist Irish lad who thinks all fellas named Mohammed either fly planes into buildings or go around decapitating people. He's not worth your time or effort.

    Best to just like a 5 year old, tire himself out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,514 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Netanyahu doesn't seem to give a toss about Israel's image abroad : we saw this at his press conference yesterday. There is a strong suggestion of a megalomaniac about him, convinced he is right about everything and everyone else is wrong.

    Holocaust survivors have definitely spoken out against Israel and accused them of genocide in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,229 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Call me crazy . But I'd rather hold account the people who done the butchering and slaughtering on October 7th .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Over 80% of Israelis have called for an independent inquiry into what happened prior to and on Oct 7th.

    Netanyahu has consistently denied that request. He knows what it would find and it would be the end of him - and many others.

    Holocaust survivors and Holocaust academic experts have frequently expressed their condemnation of the Israeli Govt. But the Govt. simply does not care what anyone else thinks of their atrocities - they ignore the "optics" completely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The current Israeli Govt. disputes the ICJ ruling (no surprise). But its days are numbered.

    A future Israeli Govt. may well recognise the ICJ ruling but I'd say that's way off into the future.

    Other Govts. that recognise the State of Palestine, like those due to formalise that in September, will at least accept the ruling and try to persuade Israel to comply. Again, with little chance of success at the moment.

    If you read Jeremy Bowen's report on Settlers, they are now fully intertwined with the IDF and have carte blanche to illegally take Palestinian land on a whim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Hamas certainly do need to be held to account of course.

    But so does Israel - the IDF slaughtered scores of their own citizens on the day when the Hannibal Directive was implemented.

    But of course, you'd only support the murder of 1200 Israelis to be accounted for for. 60,000 Palestinians is just "meh".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,944 ✭✭✭Odhinn




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney


    I'm still waiting on your source for the rockets from Gaza post yesterday you lying cretin



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,514 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    There seems to be a massive international backlash against the murder of the top Al Jazeera journalist and his five colleagues in Gaza……many appalled that Israel would announce they are killing journalists. Very few observers buying the idea he was an active member of Hamas (apart from the usual Zionists and anonymous scum / racists on social media).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Rather like the Nuns and the sheep being active members of Hamas. And the 15 medics of course. And the kids holding tin bowls trying to get food to stave of extreme starvation.

    No-one is buying what Israel is selling any more (lies) except the gullible who are incapable of critical thinking. And as you correctly point out, the racists and those who seem to "get off" on murder and destruction and who simply steal land.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Especially so when Israel won't allow external journalists in to Gaza while systematically wiping out every Palestinian journalist they can identify.

    These bastards have set many horrendous 'records' in their genocide. The world has never seen the targeting of journalists in any comparable way. I can already imagine the various exhibits a Palestinian genocide museum might display, having visited the Holocaust museum in Berlin, and the Apartheid museum in Johannesburg.

    What is very frustrating is the snails pace the ICJ and ICC seem to move at. There needs to be some reform there to give them more teeth, but difficult to see how that is possible when the countries which should underpin international law have been so weak and cowardly themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    In fairness, BB is not the only one.

    Many many times you've respectfully asked (multiple times) simple questions of those supporting Israel in this conflict to be met (multiple times) with crickets and them running away for weeks on end.

    I doubt BB is up to the challenge at all - his posts add nothing to the discourse, they're just fact-free disingenuous digs. I'd say they wouldn't last more than two posts judging by their recent form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,514 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's astonishing also that the Zionist supporting psychopaths on social media think it's the most normal thing in the world to murder a leading TV journalist and his colleagues in cold blood because there is a vague suspicion he might or might not have some tenuous link to Hamas. Their disregard for human life is striking - they are the actual terrorists and supporters of terrorism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    And it's not just journalists, but doctors, nurses, aid workers, priests, teachers, postmen... Anyone you can think of.

    Israel are justified in killing everyone and destroying absolutely everything in Gaza.

    Everyone is Hamas. Every hospital, aid depot, church and school is a Hamas facility.

    This is because every Palestinian is Hamas. Every Arab is Hamas.

    It's pure racism and hate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,094 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,854 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Hypocrites, but much worse, the hypocrisy is to mask the torture and starvation they are inflicting on the hostages they are holding

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    This man was released in February by Israel, in a critical condition, missing a leg having spent time as a hostage held by the Israelis.

    Reports from released hostages say that they were tortured every single day. Deliberate inhumane, degrading, vicious treatment of people who were simply dragged from the streets and disappeared indefinitely
    About 3000 held under 'administrative detention' (no charges, just plucked from the streets) being tortured and starved by Israel, before October 7 2023, there had already been over 1300 palestinian civillians held under this 'administrative detention'

    When Hamas crossed the border and captured 200 hostages in October 2023, this was fewer than 1/6th of the number of hostages held by Israel at that time, and yet Hamas are the ones seen to have started the conflict. As if it was not provoked, as if Palestinians do not mourn their loved ones being dragged from the streets to be tortured.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,642 ✭✭✭newport2


    It's amazing the precision they have in taking out specific targets, both in Palestine and surrounding countries.

    Yet when targeting Hamas in Gaza, precision is out the window, along with all the civilians lives who were in the surrounding areas.



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