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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,381 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Was it only 44 league goals scored last season? That's the answer to your question really. I'm sure they aren't overly happy with the midfield situation but we couldn't buy a goal last season and it cost us in so many games. Realistically, we have Ugarte, Mainoo, Casemiro, Collyer, and Bruno for 2 positions in midfield. Which should be enough to get us through most games with a functioning forward line. I'd like to see Ugarte and Mainoo get a run of games together to see what they can do. I've been impressed with both of them in preseason so far and I think there's something there.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭Quags




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭✭talla10


    Although I would rather spend on another midfielder, adding another promising young striker to our squad should certainly improve the squad and our awful goal scoring record. Although I am slightly worried no other top European club is remotely interested in Sesko and we are in the final week of pre season so hopefully this isn't a panic buy- I have seen Sesko, watched some clips and read the stats but I can't say I know him well or am very confident he will score the same number of goals in the PL; And he will take time to settle as he has missed the entire pre season. Time will tell if we do sign him.

    I'd expect (hope!!) for movement on our outgoing players in next week or two- I have no hope of moving Sancho on but hopefully Antony, Malacia and Gernacho might move on-Although Antony and Betis playing silly games at the minute!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭Quags


    I don't think its a panic buy, Andy Mitten mentioned we have being looking at him for a few years but I do have reservations about signing him (maybe from Hojlund) but is nice to see us behaving properly and not just throwing money at players for them to sign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,573 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I think I would have a similar hesitance on him. He has the tools - size, pace, ball striking - but then so did Hojlund. Where it matters is the intelligence and movement, which is where Hojlund has failed. Will Sesko be better? Does he have the intelligent movement in the box to create space and be in the right place at the right time? His career doesn't show massive evidence of it - but a lack of evidence doesn't mean he can't. He was, last season more so, being played as the second striker, not the main target, so that will have had an impact on his statistics.

    Where I think/hope it creates improvement in the side is what he may offer in build up. If he is making the right runs, and the ball isn't bouncing off him, that is already a huge improvement. I think his alround game will see Mbeumo, Bruno and Cunha do well, where I think Hojlund would have been an active detrement to them unless we saw massive improvement from him.

    But for 70m+ you need way more than 'isn't a liability'. He needs to be the guy. While I don't want to say he is another Hojlund - it is a similar bet we are making; that a young striker will develop to the level we need, while costing the money of a player that we should be able to immediately rely upon. at this price, we can't afford to be entering the market again next summer for a first choice striker.

    I do think, as you point to, we are also setting Sesko up for sucess better, with Cunha and Mbeumo to support him in terms of creation and goal scoring burden.

    Essentially, imo we are betting on Sesko being an elite forward in the side we want to see competing for a title in 3 years. Lets hope its a bet that pays off.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭Jofspring


    Sesko preferring united is more evidence for me that Champions League is not the be all that people think every year when it comes to signing players. Players will look more long term than if a team is in the champions League the next season but it's something that's obsessed upon by fans and the media. You don't sign a 4/5 year contract with a team just because of champions League football, there's usually more to it than that.

    Great to see United still have the pull. Barring a mental offer by Newcastle this seems to be a done.

    On to a midfielder now hopefully. I think we will manage with Onana if we sort a solid CM with some legs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,070 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    As the saying goes goals win games. We all know the CM needs strengthening. Casemiro and Ugarte don't seem to be the answer to that defensive midfield position and there's a worry opposition players will run through us but as mentioned we couldn't buy a goal last season so we should see a massive improvement in that area of the field. There's no doubting that watching United play this season should be a lot more enjoyable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭jayo44


    39 goals across two seasons from a young forward is not bad going. He has experience and scored in champions league against top Premier league teams. He won't be the main man up frint he will be apart of a front 3 playing with experienced attackers that all look hungry to succeed.

    It's not a dead cert he will succeed but it's not as big a gamble as some make out.

    It's a big price but that's not his fault and it's the bar that's been set.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭54and56


    Another point ref the importance of Champions League to a player is age. At 22 Sesko has 10-12 years of top flight football ahead of him whereas a player who is 27 or older is at their peak and looking at only 5-7 more years to play Champions League. Immediate access to Champions League football is always going to be less important to a relatively inexperinced 22 year old than it is to a more senior experienced player at or entering their peak years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I think the big help for Sesko will be Hojlund is still here.

    We didn't have to include Hojlund so when Sesko arrives we'll have two strikers. We aren't just throwing all our eggs in Sesko's basket with Harry Maguire still as the emergency back-up striker.

    Hopefully they can compete with each other and keep themselves on their toes. It alleviates the pressure on Sesko (and Hojlund tbf) that they aren't being overly relied on and can be replaced if required.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,573 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I think it depends on the club in the CL tbh.

    If we had been competing vs Arsenal or Liverpool, maybe Chelsea too - its not just baout being in the CL, its the perspective of whether they could actually compete for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    My feelings on it are that if there was a experienced striker that guaranteed 15-20 prem goals that could be gotten for a reasonable fee then the club probably would have moved for them but I don't think one was available at an acceptable fee and I still think they might have even gone for Sesko too if funds from sales allowed.

    The club have been looking at Sesko for a long time and have tried to sign him previously. They are obviously very keen on him. Mitten said he knows for a fact that Sesko was the number one choice before we went for Rasmus but that a deal wasn't able to be done.

    I have more faith in the current team leading recruitment than I did previously. He has all the tools to really suit the prem. I don't think you can let fact that Rasmus has not worked out affect your thinking. You just have to do your homework and come to a decision in a vacuum.

    I would love if we could pull a press resistant deep lying playmaker out of the bag next. A+ summer for me if that happens along with completing Sesko.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Who were the two CMs that @Mitch Connor kept mentioning previously? Was it Richard Rios and Hayden Hackney? I don't think we'd need to break the bank for either of them but they might not be the guaranteed starter some are looking for



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    There's nothing to say we won't sign a CM after Sesko, in fact all indications are that we will.

    The whole budget thing was a ploy as I had speculated at the beginning of the summer. Funds are there and we are willing to spend. Jesus, we finished 16th in the league, if we weren't going to spend this summer, we might as well forget about it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,302 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    Ah we weren’t that bad in the league. It was 15th I’m sure? 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,573 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Yeah, Rios was a cheap option i thought in January, signed for Benfica now though.
    Hackney had a 15m deal accepted from Ipswich so he would be available relatively cheap.

    On Hacnkey though…. I don't think he works as a replacement for Ugarte, which means he is competing with Bruno, and Mainoo, for that number 8 spot. I think he would be very good in it, but we already have one near certain starter and another player i want to be a certain starter there in the future. And you also possibly have Kone but he is maybe a couple of years off being a proper thought there, and he might develop as more of a 6 too.

    But I just think Hackney, even at 15m, is money that could be better allocated to a DM that competes with/pushes/benches ugarte - cause other than Ugarte I'd not happy with any DM option we have, and many aren't happy with Ugarte for that in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Seattle


    Agree with this but I also think we should take comfort from the fact that both Newcastle and Arsenal were very interested in him. Both of those clubs have been extremely cautious and savvy in the transfer market over the last few years and I don't think they'd have pursued him to the extent they did without being fairly confident that he can cut it at a high level in the PL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 381 ✭✭Seattle


    I don't think any other club advanced an interest in Hojlund to the point where they considered spending 75m on him. At least we know others have with Sesko.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    I was like we were possibly going to finish 17th but then it wasn't that bad so I went up one! 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    I think Vivell got us Sesko, they know each other from RB, he might have sold him the project.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭jayo44


    Reus could do a job in midfield too I'm sure.... Is he still about?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Reus and Leon Britton. The dream midfielder duo nobody had the balls to assemble



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭jayo44


    So happy for this guy

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,725 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭DataDude


    I’m by no means certain Sesko will be a success. But whilst physically he might be built a bit like Hojlund, he’s far more effective at using his frame.

    Even back in his Serie A days, Hojlund had an abysmal duel rate. Particularly in the air for someone 6’4, he only won 30% of his headers. Thats gotten worse somehow in the prem. 27% in his first season at United. 25% this year. That’s just his level. Sesko wins 60%. Im hopeful Sesko won’t be a trampoline up front in the way Hojlund is.

    Hojlund’s other huge flaw is he doesn’t generate shots. Even back in his Atalanta days he was only having 1.7 shots per game. Down to 1.0 at United. Sesko will almost certainly generate far more attacking actions than Hojlund.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 923 ✭✭✭jayo44


    Sorry jokes.... I was talking about that central midfielder Marco Reus.. Old joke



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,840 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    At Leipzig though they play with two CFs and you have to assume that given his size Sesko was their target man and Loïs Openda was your goal scorer. Which he was in the first season scoring 24 league goals but only scored 9 last season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,493 ✭✭✭fatherted1969


    Ornstein reporting its not far off now

    https://x.com/David_Ornstein/status/1952990064973426759?t=JLJdeiKz6iXfw0KRhiaVyQ&s=19



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Hell yeah that's great news. Delighted for the lad. He'd be a great fit a RA team but he was never gonna be first choice for ETH so he had to move on for his own benefit. Delighted to see how well he's done and how beloved he is in Naples



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    Has everyone got the yips now when it comes to tall young white CFs?!

    Sesko is taller than Hojlund if that makes any difference.

    Hojlund had done next to nothing in the game before we bought him and continues in that vein.

    Sesko while not yet elite has multiple seasons of goalscoring under his belt, the two deals are not comparable imo.

    We tried to go the cheaper route with Hojlund over Sesko (incredible I know considering his cost).

    We've been caught in the classic, buy cheap buy twice scenario



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