Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Sorry I missed this response before.

I don't think 'driven by social media' is a fair answer. It denies indigenous Irish people the right to suggest their fears are genuine and that their fear is that the country is being changed without their consent.

'Of course integration can work, why not?' - I wonder is this too simplistic a take on the question. It would be easy for an immigrant to give this answer but unless there is an identical view from the local population, it is not working. The bar for true integration is higher than simply being here and working together, the issue is a powder keg. It's not working.

Yes the person wearing a burqa is still a person. But I think it is a vile, reductive practise that erases the woman beneath. Western women fought against the odds for their right to be seen, be heard, to vote, to work. The burqa is a disgusting denial of their power and I think it's terrible that this misogynistic ideology has convinced those poor women that they have to conceal their individuality becuase their menfolk can't be trusted to hold themselves together if their faces were revealed. Add to that the fact that even if I did talk to one I would have no idea who I'm talking to.

I am Irish, I grew up chatting to men and women in the pub. I have no doubt whatsoever that the woman wearing the burqa is a person underneath but I have no desire to talk to her because I need to see her face. The burqa is total anathema to integration. There is no greater way to say 'I will not integrate' than to wear a burqa.

But don't worry too much Burqa-wearing women, it's your men I blame. Only hateful men would ever invent such a thing.

I've lived in Ilford for 35 years now and that documentary sounds like the sanatised version. If it were only the Indians it might be okay.

The catholic Church lost its grip on Ireland years ago, which is a good thing, but now Islam is growing rapidly through migration. Just look at the challenges other countries are facing as a result. We're replacing one devil with anothe.

Is that Graham Linehan?

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2025/08/01/housing-shortage-not-an-excuse-for-states-failure-to-house-asylum-seekers-european-court-rules/

I honestly think we should tell the ECJ to go **** themselves

Accepting this ruling as binding will set up a two tier system in which a randomer from anywhere on the planet can touch down in Ireland, claim asylum and immediately have greater rights and legal protections than a homeless Irish citizen. The minister for Justice has said as much himself and honestly it would be an utter disgrace.

On a separate note I must highlight the utter contempt I have for Nick Henderson and the Irish Refugee Council - in a time when so many systems etc of the country are totally fúcked, they use our own tax money to make us liable ruinous pay outs to randomers with no connection to the state, meanwhile every month the record homelessness figures for Irish citizens are broken. Honestly what is even the point of being a nation state anymore when it’s gotten to this absurd point.

I absolutely agree with you, modern social justice warriors believe unerringly in intersectionality, that there might be a conflict where minorities might have values that are anathema to each other and even the values of the progressive types defending them doesn't matter. What matters is personal moral superiority, you can absolutely criticise the catholic church and all its scandals and mock the collective people who follow "God" but if you criticise a religion which has its own unique brand of misogyny and radical fundamentalism because that religion is a minority religion it ticks the correct "oppresion" box. I can absolutely say I do not want ireland to become a majoirty Muslim country because of our history our current societal values, culture and traditions which would be at odds with many of the stricter tenents of Islam. Is that islamaphobic? I dont think it is anymore than saying i dont want to see catholic parish priests telling men and women they are going to hell if they use contraception. Are the posters on boards who criticise Catholicism catholiphobic?

We aren't currently being outbirthed by hordes of American Bible Bashers. Mind you the last time Protestants marched down O'Connell St it wasn't at all pretty.

I found myself looking at this post through the lens of Brian Griffins last post there and it really does hit home the extent to which some people will stop at nothing to defend the minority no matter what.

I think your last sentence, though sarcastic, is correct. Islam needs to be singled out because it is incompatible.

Over half of the homeless in Ireland are foreign nationals.

Has been that way for a decade. Don’t be fooled.

Fine post. I noticed with these kinds of posts, you never get direct answers to the questions. The far right types demand answers to their questions but usually don't answer direct questions as you have posed here. Hopefully you'll get responses. Pride flags banned, controlling what women want to do with their bodies, using scripture to justify genocide. It's ghastly stuff. 80% of American men circumcised.

What about, what about, what about

Those American places you’ve named are equally regressive and I would not like to see their religious mores being implemented in Ireland

I also absolutely think circumcision of infant males is genital mutilation - what do you think about it? All Muslims are circumcised

And finally and most importantly, are we seeing many migrants coming here from Utah or Montana?

No, we’re not - so how about we focus on the regressive ideologies that held by the people that are actually coming here, because that’s actually relevant to Ireland

If and when we begin to see an influx of Utah Mormons or bible bashing evangelicals I would absolutely be open to a critical discussion of their beliefs.

You literally are just rubbishing the points instead of taking them up. If you oppose then you should be taking the following approach

-Oppose Islamification claim - create argument to show how Islamification will not occur or why it would be ok if it does

-Promoting Islam promotes the things you hate like gay persecution and oppression of women's rights - create argument to show how Islam does not persecute gays or oppress women's rights

There is literally no point in making racism comments anymore. Everyone knows youre thinking it, it's baked in. Just argue the points themselves.