Israel/Palestine Thread

But Hamas have already agreed to cede control back in February! How are you missing this over and again.

It doesn't matter if the above is anecdotal.

It matters if it is believable, given all we have seen and heard from the senior people in Israeli government.

To me it is. To you if isn't.

I am arguing for the safety of all civilians. That is who my arguments will benefit. It won't hurt anybody who isn't trying to kill Gazans.

I have said time and again Hamas must go and they have said they would, but Netenyahu refused. In that light, the transcript makes sense - why else are they still there? Why is he not saying he will end the war once hostages are released?

You have another take on it. I think it is an nonsensical as you think mine is - but the outcome of your view, if you are wrong - is that 2 million people could be murdered.

It doesn't matter if the above is anecdotal.

It matters if it is believable,

I heard Bill Gates put chips into vaccines, I have no evidence of this… but some people do believe it…

You have another take on it. I think it is an nonsensical as you think mine is - but the outcome of your view, if you are wrong - is that 2 million people will be murdered.

Israel will have the power and military might to kill 2 million people, tomorrow, the year after and the year after that…. given how strong they are. As i said, maybe the hostages should stay in Gaza forever, just in case..

Instead, they have proposed nothing for the future governance of Gaza

Shouldn't it be up to the people themselves? I know there are rumours that the PA via Fatah would take over.
If Israel dictates who runs it, then people won't like that and point the finger; if they don't, they get the blame as well. Can't seem to win on that one.

But I do believe the 'aftermath' has been subject to talks in Qatar, between Hamas and Israel. It seems Hamas are digging in. Some in Hamas know the game is up, some are in denial, from reports I have read.

we all want the conflict to end…….if Hamas, who seem to very good at pumping out ‘statistics’ were as diligent in actually addressing the hostage issue it could give people some more reason to suggest that they might be genuine..

But I have given evidence for what im saying, you just don't agree, or don't want to see it.

You think Israeli society aren't radicalized.

You think Israel are starving 2 million people in self defence (or maybe you think they aren't starving them, I dunno with you)

You don't believe this is genocide.

You think Israeli politicians calling for Gazans to be killed or put in a concentration camp are bluster

You think hostages wouldn't matter to a regime hellbent on destroying Gazans (even though 75% of Israeli want hostages alive and killing them would crash government).

You don't think Netenyahu killing them will land him in jail

You think Netenyahu will end the war if hostages are released, even though he never once confirmed this.

If you believe all that, you will never understand where I'm coming from

And again, you misrepresent what i said.I never said a thing about holding hostages in perpetuity. You made that up. Again. They need to be released asap once guarantees of Gazans safety are ironclad.

The Israeli government are genocidists and war criminals. The world needs to come together and end this war with similar terms listed previously, NOW, and force Israel to accept in face of unprecedented sanctions, to save those lives.

Then Hamas and Israeli war criminals can face justice. This recognizing state stuff does nothing only get countries off the hook when the truth comes out about what is going on.

You are conflating things deliberately.

I'll break it down.

When the Allies levelled cities in Germany and Japan during WWII they displayed air supremacy, with pure numbers, fighter support, and technical superiority, the most obvious of which was the atomic bomb.

Many civilians died in those raids, including children. But that is besides the point.

The Allies were still a superior fighting force, after all they won the war, did they not. Civilian deaths did not negate that, just like how the IDF are a superior fighting force in the region, the deaths of 2 girls don't negate that.

What I said is pretty clear tbf. You seem to have an issue understanding it.

The Good Friday Agreement was concerned primarily with the future governance of Northern Ireland and conditions and rights for its population. Where are the Israeli proposals for the future of Gaza? We have heard virtually nothing from Netanyahu and his cabinet - it's all 'Hamas should surrender and release the hostages', but nothing else to go with this.

I'm not advocating for it. I'm against what Israel is doing. I poorly phrased my post.

It's insane that Israel is offering no vision for Gaza after the bombing stops. They have had months to think of a strategy for what happens to the people of Gaza after a ceasefire - saying that they will put 2m people into a concentration camp is outrageous. I'm no fan of Hamas, but I can see why they would baulk at accepting that sort of a 'future' for Gaza.