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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭prunudo


    They only release the names and details of suspects once they've been charged, up until that point they are only being questioned on suspicion of an offence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,080 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Subject to a deportation order?

    No problem, just refuse to give the Guards permission to take your fingerprints and you're fine!

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-41678699.html

    Inspector Ray Dunne said the accused man was requested at the Cork district courthouse on June 24 to complete an identification form and asked for his fingerprints to be taken to assist in obtaining a travel document required for the purpose of deportation. “Mr Mbarak failed to cooperate and refused to supply the requested information on an ID form and did not consent to have his fingerprints taken,” Insp Dunne said.

    The inspector said this was the defendant’s third conviction for the same offence.

    We are a joke of a nation.

    This story reminds me of the time I was in town doing a bit of shopping in a supermarket, when about a dozen Roma (all women and children) swarmed the place and just started stuffing goods into their bags while the security guard and staff faffed about, one ineffectually bleating that "the Guards have been called!". One of the Roma women literally laughed in his face and said, "you call your girlie police".

    That's how we are viewed by these people, as a pathetic, weak and easily exploited bunch of fools and easy marks. They are not wrong.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,687 ✭✭✭tom23


    Soft Paddy. The left just want to dish out hugs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.thejournal.ie/asylum-seeker-accommodation-breach-appeal-6778032-Jul2025/

    Common sense prevails…for now

    Appears that the Commission who took the case against the state are examining the whether they will appeal the decision - I suppose it’ll come down to the depth of their hatred for Ireland

    Literally tried to open up the state to potentially thousands of cases costing the country ruinous amounts, self flagellating freaks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,155 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    This is a ridiculous angle to take. You're basically trying to censor any conversation that involves acknowledging any differences between people at all. You can't have any conversation about immigration without referencing ethnicities.

    You basically answer every point with an accusation of discrimination or racism without taking anybodys points on board. Its the easy but wrong path to take.

    Ive laid out all of my points in a fair manner and there is no hate involved whatsoever. The first thing that needs to happen in this country to resolve our speed of migration problem is that live censorship by folks such as yourself needs to stop.

    Your decision to pull the race/discrimination card at every possible turn comes from an inability to engage in the debate, so you instead try to totally shut it down.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Any immigrant who doesn't get a house should be suing Roderic, he personally was the one who promised them all 'own door accomodation'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,714 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Turning up at Dublin airport or a ferry port demanding a house and €200+ a week was quite ridiculous on any sane level. Especially when there are people years on the waiting list for social housing.

    That's what this was about. Or what they were fighting for in the courts. I think. Correct me if I am wrong.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Careful now, apparently the accusation that Roderic ever posted any such thing is a right-wing conspiracy theory (even though it was widely reported, admitted publicly by Roderic's colleagues, and is still online to view by anyone).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Actually you should thank Roderic in this instance. While his tweet is not legally relevant to the case his actions while minister played a significant role in this case being dismissed.

    Quoted from article linked

    The state submitted argued that there was no basis for the claim, as the then-Minister for Integration Roderic O’Gorman had made efforts to increase payments to people seeking international protection who were not provided with public accommodation.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/asylum-seeker-accommodation-breach-appeal-6778032-Jul2025/

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    You are wrong.

    This was a statutory state body taking the Irish state to court under it's obligations under an EU charter.

    The IHREC is not an NGO.

    They exist as result of the Irish human rights commission act 2014.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's a bit like being thankful to someone who burns down your house down because you don't have to pay the electricity bill anymore.

    The reason the state faced this case at all was at least partially due to the overwhelming of state supports brought on by Roderic inviting the world in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    That is not supported by statistics.

    If we remove the Ukrainian immigrants from the last years available statistics you will see our immigration figures are broadly in line with UK and Netherlands etc.

    So unless Roderic also tweeted about the UK and Netherlands his tweet did not have the impact you are suggesting.

    In data terms anyway.

    I'm sure you can ask this of chatgpt to verify.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Number for the UK and the Netherlands are of no consequence to Ireland's numbers.

    Roderic tweeted his invitation to the world in February 2021. There was little immediate response, mainly due to covid restrictions on travel, but within months the numbers began to climb, and (by pure coincidence I'm sure!) the nationalities showing the largest increases were Nigeria, Georgia, Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Algeria - tying in nicely with the languages Roderic issued his invitations in.

    Gript (I know GRIPT!!! oh my lord, he mentioned Gript!) did a good, well-researched article on the phenomenon.

    What happened after Roderic O’Gorman tweeted his asylum welcome in 8 languages?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,161 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I'm sure they have body cam footage , as videos are already circulating online, whom ever recorded, how long can he be held, 48 hours?

    Any update also on the Stoneybatter stabber, he was subject to a deportation order for out staying a visa but then also had drug charges

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    The UK and Netherlands are of importance when trying to quantify if Ireland was an outlier. Which you are trying to propose.

    I am telling you the data doesn't support your claim when we remove the Ukrainians who are over represented here compared to other European states like the UK and the Netherlands.

    Roderics tweet did not apply to Ukrainians therefore using actual data your hypotheses is without credibility.

    I couldn't give a **** what gript say because the data does not support their claim.

    But even gript acknowledge the Ukrainian factor quoted from your source.

    That situation was wildly exacerbated by the pull factors which were also discussed on the programme, such as Ireland being hugely “out of kilter” with payments to Ukrainians

    You can verify all this by using your preferred AI search tool.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Liam Herrick was on rte a while ago complaining about the decision, saying we have obligations to house everyone who arrives seeking asylum and if we can’t do that they are entitled to be paid damages. Says they are considering an appeal, no doubt who will be funding the inevitable appeal, the government again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,406 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Yes. The IHREC are a statutory body they are directly funded by government, they derive their function from a piece of Irish legislation called the the Irish human rights equality commission act 2014.

    A statutory body is one created by act of government to serve a function set out in legislation and assigned to them.

    You might disagree with their function but under the legislation they are doing their job

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/07/30/michael-mcdowell-whatever-about-his-tariffs-trumps-helpful-advice-to-the-eu-is-on-the-money/

    McDowell is a surprisingly good commentator, was a bit too arrogant to cut it as a top-level politician.

    In all fairness the system is completely broken if asylum seekers can sue the Irish State for not providing them with accommodation, when the State can’t provide that for its own citizens. That’s insane. And obviously sensible people in governments need to be making sure it is reverses asap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,115 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It suits the government to have laws removing responsibilities from them.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The whole “born in Ireland means Irish” thing is funny. Imagine telling a Japanese, Mexican, Croatian, Nigerian, Pakistani or Chinese person that some Irish lad was one of them by dent of having been born there. It’s a sign of a deep shame of one’s identity to pretend that is the case. The same people promoting this idea wouldn’t dream of insulting the people of the countries I mentioned by pretending the reverse was true. Diversity is always a one-way street.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,714 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    So the Government will be fighting the State on this appeal. They will be fighting themselves. What a Banana feckin' Republic!

    If the pendulum swings too far to the left, it eventually swings the same distance to the right.

    See the Netherlands, USA, Denmark, Germany etc. for proof. It's not too late for Ireland. But we need to stop this BS now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,992 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    This is absolute despicable

    In plain man’s language this means that even though the State has been challenged by Westmeath County Councilor Paul Hogan and supported by Councillors Aengus O’Rourke, Frankie Keena and John Dolan, and been forced to concede on the validity of the Statutory Instrument that provided the legal basis for the asylum centre in Athlone, and similar to those at Crooksling, Thornton Hall and elsewhere; that the new legislation will allow the State to ignore all of that and to proceed with the maintenance of existing or planned asylum accommodation centres on State lands. 

    This is a very very dangerous precedence this government is taking and whole heartily anti democratic

    This government wants to force these illegal IPAS centers down our throat

    This is just wrong on so many levels. I've never seen a government in all my years acting like this, completely totalitarian state

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,092 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    If the Government won’t follow established principles around planning, there will not be public support for what they are doing and are likely to be unlawful actions.
    It’s acting in a way where public opposition is guaranteed and to an extent understandable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,286 ✭✭✭prunudo


    People will roll over and take it like they always do, bar a small minority who are willing to protest outside proposed ipas centres in their communities, by and large, the majority of Irish people just don't seem to care. I don't know what it will take to get people to wake up to the destruction of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭nachouser


    This is just nonsense. Do you know any Irish people who live in, say, Australia or England? Do they have kids? Have a guess at which nationality their kids might be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,868 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Are you confusing nationality with ethnicity on purpose or by accident?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,992 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    It's a grotesque abuse of power

    But isn't it funny they bend over backwards for these illegal IPAS centers, bending rules for planning but not for housing the Irish, they dont care



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I'm directly addressing the post made by the poster. I am not confusing anything.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not only do I know many such people, I lived abroad myself. Like mine, they would consider their kids to be Irish. I have third generation cousins in England who describe themselves as Irish.
    Anyway, to address your response to my post, do you think a baby born to Irish parents in Japan is Japanese? Do you think a baby born to Irish parents in Nigeria to be Nigerian?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I'll check back with you after I ask my Australian nephews if they are Irish or Australian. Hint - they're Australian.



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