Hamas strike on Israel

Your response is simply that that lot over there are war criminals in our eyes, so we will continue to be war criminals by keeping the hostages.

That simply doesn't wash with me. Hostages must be released by Hamas.

Only Hamas to release hostages or should Israel release the hostages they also hold…..and have been engaged in holding for generations….

Who are you talking about Palestine or Israel?

Yes all are war criminals - I don't trust Hamas either and wouldn't expect you to, but you are asking us to trust Israel who -like Hamas - are run by war criminals. Why does their word wash with you? More importantly why do you expect it to wash with me?

I think it would be insane to release those hostages if they are the only things stopping Israel wiping them all out.

You seem to trust that Israel won't do this and end the war as soon as this happens. I don't. Gazans have been corralled, under false pretenses, into a tiny area. Those who don't go will starve to death. This has been done for a reason. If you look up of your own volition the mechanics of genocide, this is one of the final ones.

A British politician is on record saying he was told by a v snr Israeli that if those hostages are released they will have no reason not to wipe out Gaza.

I believe they would do this. Why don't you?

I do not support the killing of any innocent civilians I am for saving lives. the lives of 2 million innocent people are worth more than the freedom 20 equally innocent people. That being said, I want freedom and safety to all Israeli and Gazan civilians.

I hope the points I raised in a previous post will be agreed before those hostages are released - complete unequivocal ceasefire, food and aid to all Gazans, move Gazans out of that enclosed area, UN boots on the ground, and international media allowed into Gaza to document what has happened, surrender of Hamas ,release of hostages . This should be enough to dissuade a genocide from being completed - they can't complete it if the UN are there, or media there to document it. This will not hurt a single Israeli and will not help Hamas in anyway - they should be prosecuted for their crimes (as should Israel's leaders). Everybody will get what they want, bar terrorists, and those who want to wipe out Gazans.

Now answer me -

Should Hamas release the hostages unconditionally, if it means Israel slaughters the people in Gaza for doing it?

And how do you propose to convince Hamas to surrender under these conditions? I mean, you're conceeded everything that they are demanding.

How do you know that they won't do a song and dance of releasing the hostages for propaganda purposes, declare a resounding victory, that they have defended and freed Gaza from the zionist invaders, lauch a major recruitment drive and resolve to continue their war of liberation.

The UN has failed miserably over 30 years in Southern Lebanon with Hezbollah. Why do you think UN 'boots on the ground' would be any different in Gaza?

Hamas have openly declared that they will attack any foreign presence in Gaza as infidel invaders and that includes the UN.

You're happy to sent Irish troops to Gaza to be killed by Hamas? What EU countries or Arab nations should be prepared to sacrifice their youth to fight the islamic jihadists?

What are Hamas demanding?

And her point that you fixate on this one point rather than the abundance of evidence that women's right's in the MIddle East (improving granted), is a long way behind what we in the west or Israel would consider normal.

You should read up on the right of women in Gaza for a start.

A withdrawel of Israeli forces, a permanent truce, the return of Palestinians, and a prisoner exchange.

All of which, if granted by you, leaves them in Gaza, in power, and with no real incentive to surrender.

So how will you persuade the to surrender when they have gotten all they want?

67% of Israeli's in favour of ending the war.

Bit of a contrast from all Israeli's want all Gazans exterminated pronto guff.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/67-of-israelis-support-ending-gaza-war-poll-shows/3613464

You were making an off topic point that women's right in the ME in general are about the same now as Ireland in 1995, which is clearly bonkers.

Everyone should be concerned about the rights of women in Gaza and what it's like for them to live under Hamas control. You're clearly not, prefering, yet again, to make it all about Israel.

So you don't care, clears that up.