Nurse suspended for objecting to a male doctor in changing room

So I said …Maybe you'd like to tell us what side of the fence you are on regarding Dr Upton's true nature, as a human being.Is he male or is she female? and which toilets and nurses changing rooms should he/she be using.

And you said …..

"See, the point is that my opinion doesn't really matter. or shouldn't."

Well I think it does matter. Surely society is built on acknowledging the sexes as Male & Female, so that we can shower, disrobe, change clothes or go to the loo behind a door that is marked with male🚹️ or female🚺️

Girls & women through that door, and men through other door with urinals, (other options/icons are available), but in this case, Sandie Peggie went through the door marked women, and Dr Upton was in there … Does it matter?

You also question Ms Peggie's character, and maybe she is racist? maybe she is homophobic, maybe she is an old trollop? She may be, I don't know? But the Big issue here is …. do female nurses including nurse Peggie have the right to use their own changing room, showers etc to themselves, without men being present? That is the issue in this Tribunal + the ideological question of whether or not you believe Dr Upton has changed sex & become a biogical woman?

You lose the argument off the bat..

Proven: S. Peggie’s 30 year work professional work record is unblemished.

What’s left is gossip, hearsay, character assignation to muddy the fact that legally she has won. I don’t argue with idiotic subjective arguments that make zero sense.

There is ample evidence to suggest we would not know of allegations against the nurses character if she had not been confronted by a biological male in female changing rooms, the straw that broke the camels back comes to mind where she may have flipped due to the stress of being confronted by the biological male, she may also have become extreme in her views after talking to management who seemed to belittle her concerns about biological males using female dressing rooms, I would think given the circumstances that it was pretty traumatic for the nurse.

If we take the entirety of the evidence we have seen so far, it would suggest the NHS Fife and the Doctor conjured up some sort of fraudulent evidence to bolster their case.

Very interesting points sent to me from a friend earlier and as I’ve not read any of the info related to this evidence.. thought I’d share:

“The claims of the evidence of how racist she is are a few bad taste mostly reposted by her rather than written by her, out of 6000 PAGES of private messages with “friends”, jokes at which the person now doing the complaining also laughed. Moreover there were other equally if not more racist and homophobic conversations in those 6000 pages, in which SP did not take part. Lindsey N’s “explanation” was that this was probably because SP was travelling to/from work at the time and didn’t see them.

And then there are the comments that LN made herself, about Drag for instance, not to mention that she posted identifying information about a real life patient on that same chat group.

If SP’s character is to be judged on the basis of about 4 jokes over a period of seven years, what does that say about all the others and about LN? And if she was such a racist, why did LN continue to go on holiday with her for seven years, in fact up until this all happened? She’s admitted to wanting SP struck off for her disrespectful opinions, so what about her own disrespect when posting in the group about an identifiable patient?”

What a nasty bag of cats these ex-friends are. It really is very bizarre.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/nhs-fife-employment-tribunal-recap-the-latest-in-the-sandie-peggie-and-dr-beth-upton-case-5244152?page=2

Christ.

From this Scotsman article reporting on Peggie's racism and homophobia.

"We are now discussing Ms Peggie's reaction to a close family member coming out as gay.

Ms Nicoll said: "Sandie has a close family member who came out as gay and Sandie was devastated about this.

"She was really unhappy about this and came to me and asked me how I coped with having two close family members who were gay.

"She wanted an in-depth conversation about it but it was a short and sweet reply, I said 'I love my relatives and I want them to be their true selves and it's actually not that difficult'."

Ms Nicoll added:"I thought she was possibly homophobic in the way she was devastated like it was the worst thing that had ever happened to her, and to use the word 'cope' to deal with it.

"I feel I haven't had to cope with anything, it just is what it is. I also feel she possibly didn't highlight her true feelings to me because she knew I had relatives that were gay."

NHS Fife's lawyer asks Ms Nicoll what she thinks Ms Peggie's "true feelings" are. Ms Nicoll said: "She's homophobic. She loves her daughter and I hope she is dealing with it better."

It is incredible how they are trying to hide all this. Do you really want this person on your side? Because the pro-trans side definitely don't want Stephen Ireland (and he was clearly always a self-promoting egotist who most in the LGBT community had no idea even existed, especially when more queer people were likely to think he was the footballer with multiple dead nans).

Like the way they seem

So basically the only thing backing up your argument about an employment tribunal are some comments about something that has nothing to do with the case by some bitchy former friends of hers.

I don't think asking for guidance on how to deal with a close relative being gay is really that big a deal, believe it or not 99% of people do not want their children to be gay if they had a choiuce in the matter between them being gay or not being gay.

In a nutshell, should Dr Upton have been recognised as female by his employers, thereby giving him full authorisation to be in the female nurses changing room.

Sadie Peggie may well have outdated vile opinions and attitudes? but should a biological man have been authorised by the Hospital to be in the ladies.

That's what the tribunal was about.

Is Upton male or female, and should he have been in the women's changing room, that's the question.

All the the sideshow about Sandie Peggie being an awful old cow are immeterial, as they are not relevant to the question at hand re Dr Upton.

Some of the stuff she said, or was claimed she said, was stupid but people regularly say stupid stuff in private Whatsapp/Facebook groups.

Making fun as 1000s of people as they being killed in a natural disaster including over 500 children is not just "stupid", it's vile.

Whether her bigotry and racism will have any bearing on the result of the tribunal God knows, but transphobes sure pick strange heroes.

This is an internet forum not a tribunal.

The fact that she is an openly hateful person is pertinent to the post I responded to.

If that is alright with you?

 sexual harassment, belief discrimination and victimisation under the Equality Act 2010?

Genuine request here - where did you read that? All I've seen is that she's claiming harassment.

A nurse has some dark humour... someone will tell me the sky is blue next!