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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,293 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    I’ll edit to make it clearer but this is exactly what was said:

    “Villa privately insist Watkins is not for sale, but there is a belief at Old Trafford that a deal can potentially be done. United would not countenance the £60 million Villa demanded from Arsenal in January, given Watkins is 29, but they might look to find an agreement at £40m to £45m.”

    “The cost of recruiting Sesko would be higher. When he signed his new contract in 2024, it came with the understanding that if an elite club — by his definition — offered in the region of €80m-€90m (£69m to £78m), Leipzig would allow him to leave. Arsenal ended up walking away from a deal after finding talks difficult and the overall expense too great.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,061 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    I think it will be Watkins we sign. Less of a risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 859 ✭✭✭blackwave


    Its the price range for Watkins and Sesko. At least we are not picking another Chelsea reject in jackson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,089 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Watkins for me once the price is right tbh. We have a plethora of young up and comers and we need someone that is PL proven. The only downside to Watkins is that he is 29 but for us currently, someone like Sesko is just too big of a gamble given the numbers involved. He could well turn out to be a worldie but could just as easily be another Raz. £40m plus some add ons would be about right for OW. OW has 56 league G/A in the last 2 years while BS has 34 in the BL.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,942 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Cheers, figured that would make more sense.

    Tough call, Sesko could be immense, or he could be a bust. If we were a title challenging side with no money worries you'd take him all day long.

    But we're a fairly crap team hoping to stabilise and establish ourselves as a top 6 side for now, and we're skint.

    So a deal around £45m for an established Premier league striker rather than £80m for a promising 22 year old who's never played in England likely makes more sense right now, even if it's not the sexy option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Haven't seen enough of Collyer to know really, maybe a loan would help. Fits and starts last year.

    I love how mobile he is and he always seems to be moving at pace. (and such a contrast from Casemiro)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    I can't see Watkins going that cheap. He averages 15 league goals a season and it's going to cost a lot for Villa to replace those goals.

    I know they've had money issues but have done a Chelsea (as have Everton lately) with the women's team and looking at naming rights for Villa Park. But still might have to sell a player or two before next July. Think they'd try to move on others before letting Watkins go cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    A post from February, I really hope we get Watkins.

    Edit : Adding the heatmap as it doesn't show in the quote

    Screenshot_2025-07-29-10-13-32-467.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Needs to get some serious minutes under his belt, especially having missed a lot of time through injury during his development years. Also I'd say a loan this season would also be to try and boost his transfer value.

    He's down the pecking and come next season he'll have to be officially registered as he'll be over 21. Unless we're stuck for homegrown players to register it could be seen as a waste to register him if he's behind Ugarte and whichever CM they bring in this summer or next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,028 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Heatmap is another completely useless statistic of individual players, because it's obviously only useful in the context of a team dynamic. It tells us nothing except where the space is for the striker (or whatever position) of a particular team.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,942 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    But let's not forget when Steven Gerrard came on against us (March 2015) and got send off less than a minute later.

    This heat map did the rounds for a while!

    1000119456.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    Whitwell has also ruled out a move for Emi Martinez as the cost is too high to sign him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭Quags


    For what we need right now then its Watkins, If we are in the realms of Liverpool & City then with Sesko we could afford that risk but with Højlund & Obi only we need PL experience.

    He is a pain but Fab was on some show and said United want 2-3 more players so CF, GK & CM. Was no mention of having to sell but would think we have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,787 ✭✭✭Robson99


    Watkins over Sesko would probably leave us with 30 mill to put towards CM / GK



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,942 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Would tie in with the rumour that we submitted a loan offer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Surely we must have a few back-up plans for a keeper?

    It can be that we don't get our first or second or even third choice. But to go through the transfer window without being able to sign any competent goalkeeper would be damning.

    Probably we will at least start the season with Onana or Bayindir but interesting to see who is in goals for us after September.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,007 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I rather an inanimate carbon rod than Onana at this point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    I'd even throw Arsenal in there as Gyokeres would have also been a big risk for us. And if a CF comes in I can't see Hojlund wanting to stay. WC is next summer and his starting place or even squad spot would be under threat. So it could be a new CF and Chido as our only natural 9s this season.

    Fair enough there's also Cunha, Mbeumo, and Zirkzee but wouldn't really want to be moving Cunha or Mbeumo to CF for long periods.

    If Watkins or Sesko come I still think Vardy would be a smart signing to add more experienced depth at CF. Would be hard to see where the club could find another experienced CF to act as cover for new CF and Chido.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Yeah, this is true in some ways but there is a little bit more to the data..

    If your team is looking to buy a striker and set the team up in such a way that your striker will be closer to the goal then you want a striker who will occupy that space and the heatmap does show the strikers who have operated in that area for their current teams allowing you to make a decision based on what you want from your striker and if they have been doing a similar job for their current club. i.e tested at PL level for the job / role you want.

    For example, Delap and Watkins we can see from that map have been tasked with very different jobs within their team. It wouldn't be a great idea to buy Delap and ask him to move exclusively into the penalty area and hope he produces similar results. There is nothing to suggest yet at PL level he can do that job.

    City wanted a striker who operated closer to the goal and despite how they setup with Jesus he could not do that job to the level they wanted. So they went with Haaland and I'm sure Haaland's heatmap at Dortmund would have shown he was a good fit for that role.

    Despite playing in the same team months apart Jesus and Haaland would have fairly different heatmaps



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,598 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    I'd rather take the risk on Sesko but that's just me.

    I can see the attraction and red flags on both of them.

    With Watkins, you know what you are going to get. However, Villa wanted to keep Duran ahead of him and then dropped him for a number of games in favour of Rashford. The fact they would even entertain selling him when they have no back up and in a difficult market would be a worry.

    Sesko could be anything. Every top club has been looking at him but as yet nobody has taken the risk which is the worry you have with him. Physically he is everything you'd want and he looks to have very good technique. I've watched him a few times and been underwhelmed on at least one of those games but he clearly has something.

    Hard to call when I write it down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,843 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    Why is sesko valutes so high, he o ly got 13 league goals in the league last season, 12 the season before.

    (When Utd first wanted to sign him at 16/17 they could of got him for 2mil, but we were offering 1.2 or so)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭GolfPar


    The Watkins & Sesko article also mentioned that bringing in either would be contingent on revenue being made available from sales, so that potentially is a stumbling block to either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    I think Whitwell reported that the club were interested in John Victor if Bayindir was sold. But if they also have interest in this lad at Royal Antwerp then surely that wouldn't depend on what happens with Bayindir.

    Lammens would be signed to come in and provide competition before hopefully taking the number one spot. A transfer like that surely wouldn't depend on whether or not Bayindir leaves you'd assume. Since you're viewing him as a long term prospect rather than stop gap.

    Heck I'd even say that someone like John Victor shouldn't be dependent on whether Bayindir leaves or not because he's absolute pants. He's makes Onana seem like a good keeper and that's saying something.

    Hard to see where they'd find a competent keeper. Chances are it's either going to be a project keeper with long term potential or taking a risk on a John Victor type.

    Would love Donnarumma but think United would only be used to drive up his value in negotiations. I think he'd be Madrid bound if he left PSG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    If Lammens hypothetically had the potential to become a great keeper, would a year of sitting on the bench really help his career ?

    He'd be better off where he is.

    Whoever we sign needs to be made number 1.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Why would he be sitting on a bench for a year? Onana will throw one in after two weeks and he should get his chance then



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,689 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Any keeper signed should immediately be first choice. If they aren't better than Onana then why the hell waste limited money them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭scottser


    The risk us offering him a 3 or 4 year contract at 200k per week. If we can get him for 2 with an option at 150k then yeah, maybe. But it's also really risky signing a striker on a short term contract expecting there to be more and better options next year because there probably won't be, especially after a WC. The likes of City, Arsenal, and Liverpool would only really take on an older player to fit an existing development strategy or to fill a short-term gap, otherwise they sign young players that a manager can mould into a role over time. We don't have those foundations yet, and the players we sign ideally should be young with a resale value if it doesn't work out.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 19,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    I don't understand the need to focus solely on league goals when it comes to Sesko. He had 13 goals in 33 league games.

    But he also had 4 in 4 in the Cup

    And 4 in 8 in the CL

    21 goals in 45 games.

    That's a very decent return for a 21 year old.

    (Post is not just aimed at you Aido)

    Edited, to add that he also had 6 assists

    So 27 g/A in 45 games



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    If we had a half-decent keeper, we might well have won the Europa League final and have Champions League money now.

    A keeper is so important.

    I'm glad to have both Cunha and Mbuemo. But I'd rather have Cunha or Mbuemo, plus a top keeper.



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