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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Great defence of your new reverse political theory there. That’s me told.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ah look, if you can't do a poster the courtesy of acknowledging an edit I am not going to bother replying

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What are you on about now?

    I replied to your silly post that attacked me rather than addressed your innovative new political theory, I have no idea what edit you are on about.

    I have now attempted, over several posts, to draw out your misunderstanding of basic politics, and all I’ve gotten in return is ducking, diving, and nonsense.
    As you say yourself, I think I’ll leave it there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Post edited by Goldengirl on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Why are you trying to shoehorn everything into right left political ideology.

    This post is a perfect example of the stupidity of it, so I'm just going to jump on board and go with it.

    Looking broadly at the output of said NGOs and lobby groups, its entirely fair to say that these organisations are heavily left-wing in their stances and campaigns.

    So if NGOs in Ireland are solely the preserve of left wing politics you really have to ask the following questions,

    Why does the right hate cancer victims(Irish cancer society) and not want to develop treatments for cancer?

    Is cancer working with right wing bodies to kill left wing extremists?

    And for public school bodies why does the right (educate together) not want education for children?

    And if the right hates guide dogs (Irish guide dogs) what is their alternative?

    Obviously the FLAC (free legal aid) is a left wing plot to destabilise the Irish state.

    Again as the rape crisis centre is an NGO we can only assume that is because rape is a left wing false flag attempt to destabilise Ireland, right?

    And don't even get me started with far left NGOs like birdwatch Ireland, or St Vincent de paul, focus Ireland and the worst of all the far far far left Irish wheelchair association.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Del.

    Post edited by Goldengirl on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭bilbot79




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,529 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Looking to the long-term, does anybody think the flow of AS will ever stop?

    Will the taxpayers have to spend €1,000,000,000+ on accomm each year forever?

    Will the flow ever return to below 1,000 per year?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,182 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Independent Ireland and even Aontu gets my vote

    Honestly I don't know left wing, right wing, socialist, centre, nationalist etc., anymore 🙈 but it's clear the current government in power need to do something, the country can't cope and the divide is widening with more and more angry

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    not really, what you have is a very loud vocal minority who are using all platforms available to spread their message.
    those people are radicalised and spread urban myths which then people believe.
    so it sounds and looks like there is a divide and that more and more people are screaming, but in reality, it's not much more then say 5 or 10 years ago, it just looks like it because of the noise.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    nope right wing party, or to be more accurate far right party in the case of reform and the AFD, for which common sense doesn't even exist as a concept.
    sure vote for such parties if you want to bankrupt the country, but i don't think the majority of irish people whatever their views on immigration are stupid enough to go there given they have already saw the offering of similar parties in action from other countries.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I'm going with Aontu for sure. I voted Green a few years back becuase at the time I saw the climate as the crisis of our time.

    Now I see mass immigration as an existential threat to my country I'm going Aontu. This completes my journey to the dark side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,182 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    I think kids being stabbed by a stranger outside their school is not an one of those "urban myths" , I do not remember a crime this bad in my lifetime

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Climate is still the big problem and why so many people are and will continue to come here .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 889 ✭✭✭Joe 90


    These days a lot of people consider common sense policies to be far right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    you may not remember it but unfortunately stabbings have happened in this country for a very long time.
    in fact 1 city had a reputation so bad for that issue it was named stab city for a long time, a reputation that has thankfully been shaken off and turned around.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    Not comparable,The Limerick stabbings were usually young men engaging in criminality or feud related activities,ther were no mass stabbings perpetrated on schoolchildren that I can recall.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,566 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    na they don't, what they consider to be far right is bogus and expensive policies that are about performative cruelty while achieveing jot all.
    denmark still has a lot of immigration, sure it's politicians will deny it but the reality is very very different.
    you are never going to stop immigration especially now with the climate issue coming down the tracks.
    a proper grown up system that hears cases and decides whether one has a legitimate right to be in a country they migrate to is the only option, even if it means people having to travel to embasies in the country nearist to them first.
    the UK had that system and blew it all open because they didn't want to pay for public services and the tory government wanted to manufacture a migration crisis.
    we have the system but just not enough people to staff it and we don't allow people to apply via our embasies in other countries as i understand it.
    we also have self-deport which is great in theory but while a lot do go some don't and we lose them which is a problem.
    the big number of migrants here is from ukrain because of the war, once that ends and hopefully it will with a full russian withdrawel, then most will return home just like they did after the balkins wars.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    No but there was the 11year old boy stabbed in the school in Finglas by another.

    And I remember another stabbing of a 1st year in a school down the country about 15 years ago .

    A lot of hush about these incidents because minors involved .

    Not as bad as the stabbings by that man outside the school in Parnell Square of course .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You don't get nuance, do you ? That's not what was said .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Cordell


    That's a bigger lie than "we can tax the climate change away".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,736 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    How is one related to the other and why is it a lie at all?

    It is widely accepted that climate change causes migration , so the fact that you think that is a lie is you being uncivil and just plain wrong.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Cordell


    It is widely accepted that climate change causes migration

    Also causes the extinction of pirates:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 294 ✭✭SnazzyPig


    There's enough straw in this post to bed an entire generation of NGO parasites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭tom23


    you’ve just moved ‘whataboutery’ onto a whole new level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,156 ✭✭✭bilbot79


    I think immigration is a national unity issue. Everyone is going to need to join together in support of Irish cultural preservation. As a nation we need to see the Islamic unassimilable ideology for what it is and we need to rid ourselves of the curse of taking responsibility for other governments' problems.

    When we all come together to slow immigration down to a trickle and start deportation en masse, then I'll get back to voting for climate policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    But why does the right hate cancer victims and educating children?

    How long will we let wheelchair users continue pushing their far left ideology?

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    You suggested the centre left as the "only real option for change" - they are not, not in Ireland anyway. As your reply does not address this further but goes off about left parties in other countries for some unknown reason, I have to assume you agree.

    Post edited by twinytwo on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Came across a bold idea on a recent video clip I saw. Why not rewrite the 1951 Geneva convention, and enter a clause that means refugees can only claim asylum in the continent they come from. Asia can look after the Afghans, Middle East look after the Syrians, Africa after the Somalians, Europe after the Ukrainians etc etc. It would stop the abuse of the system which is currently at play, and means the wealthy countries in the other continents contribute. It may also mean countries help their neighbours and don't wash their hands of issues.



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