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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,364 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    My memory of it was that Albert was far from the 'presumed' choice. FF had seen Lenihan defeated in the previous presidential election and smarting from that and Reynolds losing a GE and being the leader of two coalitions that ended prematurely, they had no faith in him winning a Presidential election. Hence Ahern looking elsewhere.

    Still not sure why Leahy says Micheál and Micheál alone will chose. I get he will have influence but the parliamentary party always had final say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Well she was not sharp when asking how do we bring young people to news and current affairs, she ponder if RTÉ should be producing something like The Daily Show, forgetting that she worked in RTÉ when they actually produced that type of programming. Supposedly she knows the industry, instead she showed that if brought with the facts she'd have been out of touch and lacking any sharpness.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,646 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Expect to see plenty of CC’s own words used to show the electorate what her policies and judgement are like


    https://twitter.com/claredalyirl/status/1798085594389897533?s=46&t=nCQ2zYUI_IYJ_l6bQ4J4vQ




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    The Daily Show a superficial lifestyle show. She was a current affairs journalist and presenter uninvolved in guff like that. She'd also come up short when asked about the production of Fair City.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    So, can we please have examples of her own policies? Five days and counting.

    Opposed to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Opposed to the Israeli genocide in Gaza. In favour of Repeal of the 8th. In favour of marriage equality. In favour of Irish neutrality and opposed to Ireland joining NATO.

    Out of step with the electorate ya think?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Opposed to actually doing anything about the Russian invasion of Ukraine as well apparently. Not sure that one is as popular.

    Clare Daly was a support for the Russian regime in Europe. Supporting her was a gross misjudgement. One that thankfully the people of Dublin didn't make (and while she got a solid number of votes it is notable how transfer toxic she was).

    The president doesn't get to implement policies. They are supposed to be a diplomat, and supporting Daly is incredibly relevant to her ability to do that.

    Also, one of her policies is that she doesn't think that Ireland need a defence force, which is a)ridiculous and b) a bizarre take for a potential Commander in Chief of said forces.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    She mention The Daily Show. That was her argument how to we bring young people to news. Are thing to po-faces on traditional news and current affairs, this was her argument not mine, this is what she was asking. She mention the potential of an Irish series like The Daily Show, forgetting or not know that RTÉ had previously produced such shows, she did not see the inherent problems in RTÉ: -

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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Opposed to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Opposed to Ireland joining NATO. Both hugely in line with public opinion according to consistent polling.

    What's your source for her saying that Ireland does not need a defence force?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    I think you've got a mite confused about what she was discussing. Produced by RTE from 2010 to 2012 when she was there. Unrelated to its US counterpart.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    In a speech about Misinformation? she siad some along the lines of "I wonder if a more relaxed, perhaps comic, type of programme might work for young Irish Audiences, unlike the Today Tonight and Prime Time shows I presented, rather than the hard newscaster perhaps a more comic view of news, for example the Daily Show which is where many young people got their news, rather than from the Walter Conkites of the past."

    That is not a direct quote. But failed to mention an Irish type of News Satire show of the past.

    Next you'll tell me she thinks Today is on BBC Radio 4 and not the replacement for The Daily Show ;)

    Do you think that Michael McDowell would be a good president?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Get me a direct quote and source please rather than an anecdote (and anecdotal quote) as you're aware they're not allowed on CA. And THIS is your criticism of OO'L. Perhaps she should do a U-Turn and run if this is the apex of (uncorroborated) dirt-digging.

    Several 'Today' shows. Take yer pick.

    What's the relevance of McDowell?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    https://rts.org.uk/event/gay-byrne-memorial-lecture-who-can-we-trust I can't find the speech but it was at this event. It's not dirt digging it is just something I noticed about the speech that stuck with me, and I felt she didn't really understand how much RTÉ back tracked on much of its content over the years. Apologies to the mods in politics.

    I am sure their are several "Daily Shows" take you're pick 😏

    As for McDowell, you agree he has all the characteristics that you have suggested for a president. A former Attorney General, Minister for Justice, Tánaiste, Senator and well respected Barrister.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭maebee


    Re McDowell, I always thought he was a smarmy git😁, I hated his politics and couldn't bear to listen to him etc but................imo, he would make an excellent President. He'd most definitely get my vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,595 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    On Russia and Ukraine, Connolly is part of the loony left, who talk incessantly about the US and the responsibility of the West for forcing Putin to invade. Complete and utter rubbish. Her support for Daly is indicative of this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,364 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ….or is not a part of the hive 'look over there' minds that will have no truck with the idea that it takes two sides to engage in warfare/conflict and that there might be an advantage to some being constantly at war/conflict. The 'if people didn't consume drugs there'd be no drug-dealers' maxim applies. Even if they are not always right, a good democracy needs those who will ask the questions.

    I have never totally agreed with any politician or political party nor indeed a president.

    But give me someone who questions the powerful and who doesn't look away, any day, over the sycophants and enablers.

    Still Connolly over any other declared runner for me.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You know what, she didn't say that. I hold my hand up there. She said that we don't need an army, which displays a rather ridiculous lack of understanding of what a Defence Force is.

    What is happening under the Government's watch, and I do not wish to personalise this, is truly shocking. This is not an army. Ireland will never be able to have an army. We do not need an army. We are an independent, neutral, sovereign country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Link doesn't open. What does it say about O'Leary? Any source other than a half-recollected anecdote?

    McDowell has filled substantial roles (albeit none of significance for 18 years) but the 'respected barrister' part falls down after the reaction of much of the legal profession to him during his tenure as Minister for Justice. A divisive figure who is wisely shying away from standing. He knows he'd get battered by media and opponents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    As you've invented a quote it might be best to provide a source for the real one so we can understand the context.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,064 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The sycophants and the enablers? The ones who enabled Syrian and Russian aggression you mean and try to stop sanctions against dictators and war criminals, killing citizens at home and abroad? Sums up the likes of Daly who Connolly supports fully.

    Yeah, when one side is unable to resist the conflict we get atrocities instead.

    She is part of a different hive mind, always try to somehow pin the blame on the West, even where we have a case of clear Russian aggression, using war crimes as a deliberate strategy of war.

    No doubt Connolly would wring her hands and tsk tsk and do absolutely nothing from her ivory tower yet try to blame the west. Which is what she did in Syria.

    If you want somebody to stand up for actions to protect human rights and democracy and freedom from dictators and those waging aggressive war - it won't be Connolly that's for sure based on her track record.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Give a soource for her comments on Ukraine. She's clearly stated that she is opposed to the invasion and ongoing war.

    By 'West' do you instead mean NATO? And it's for another thread but do you believe that NATO breaking promises and placing bases along the Russian border whilst courting Ukraine has played no part in the conflict? If so you're forgetting Cuba 1961.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It is a quote from a Dáil debate (and I never invented a quote)
    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2024-05-02/32/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,064 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    'Opposed' to the invasion and war can mean a whole lot of things. When used by the likes of Daly, it is both side nonsense, drawing no distinction between Ukraine resisting invasion and Russia launching an aggressive invasion.

    NATO broke no promises. NATO has done nothing outside the bounds of the NATO Russia Founding Act whereas Russia has repeatedly broken promises it made in the Budapest agreement. A Ukraine in NATO was no threat to Russia, this is a war of plunder and conquest from Russia, nothing more.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,595 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The sycophants and the enablers are those like MLMD, Connolly, PBP, Daly and the rest who lay down for the Russian bear to trample all over them. Despite Russia having already annexed Crimea illegally, they still blamed others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,364 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think she was making a distinction between an 'army' and 'Defence forces' there. If you take what you quoted out of it's context, you miss how she spoke of her respect for the Defence Forces, deplored their underfunding and praises their peacekeeping role. The full passage is a little more nuanced.

    I will finish by making a few general points on what our Defence Forces are 100 years on. The clue is in the title. They are defence forces. I am very proud of them and we have a barracks in Galway. I am very proud, as is every Member of the Dáil, of our Defence Forces. We all stand fully behind their most basic demands in terms of money and conditions. What is happening under the Government's watch, and I do not wish to personalise this, is truly shocking. This is not an army. Ireland will never be able to have an army. We do not need an army. We are an independent, neutral, sovereign country. Our strength lies in our independent voice. Our strength lies in making the UN institutions function better. It is utterly misleading to say changes to the triple lock are necessary and we need to tinker with them. It is dangerous, disingenuous and unacceptable. The Minister of State's party will be in serious trouble if it persists in going down the road of changing the triple lock.

    We need transformative action. The one phrase the Tánaiste has used repeatedly is "transformative action". We also need transformative action to stop wars. We cannot be cheerleaders for wars. There is nothing to be gained by joining up with the military-industrial complex that Europe is in the middle of, with a European Defence Fund, a European Defence Agency and Partnership for Peace, which is a travesty of the English language because it is a partnership for war.

    Our voices should be used over and over to stop the war in Ukraine and to stop what Israel is doing and the genocide going on. I would like to hear our voices used for this and not sidelined into tinkering with the triple lock, which is simply unacceptable. It is an insult to the Defence Forces which have served us well. If anything captured this lately, it was the announcement of the withdrawal of our peacekeeping forces from Lebanon, or the Golan Heights, to have them ready for a battlefield. They cannot participate in it but they have to be ready for the day they need to go into battle at the helm of von der Leyen and Borrell who have talked about Europe as a garden and everything else outside of it as a jungle.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,385 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    the full passage isn't more nuanced it is incoherent.

    I know what she is trying to say, but it makes no sense. We have an army, we have always had an army and we continue to need an army. She is trying to play stupid word games. And the final bit about going into battle at the helm of VdL is so grotesque as to deserve no comment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,364 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is the usual response

    'always trying to put the blame on the West'

    She quite simply isn't doing that.
    Like me, she believes blame is shared in most conflicts/wars. She at least tries to speak truth to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,595 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/sam-mcbride-potential-president-deirdre-heenan-is-slicker-but-spikier-than-mary-mcaleese/a885748628.html

    An interesting article about Heenan, hopefully, if she is selected, she brings some of the spikiness to the debates to liven them up.

    "When Sinn Féin broke Covid guidance with a huge IRA funeral in Belfast in 2020, Heenan said it “demonstrates that for Sinn Féin, loyalty to the republican movement supersedes other considerations including leadership, collective govern­ance, upholding institutions and public health messaging”."

    Ouch, I see now why the good republicans don't like her.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,364 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well, if being incoherent now and again was a crime, the prisons would be full tbh.

    Good we have establisheed she was at least trying to make a distinction even if it made no sense to you. I got it straight away. I think her fulsome praise for the work of the Defence Forces was the giveaway.



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