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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    It's not a hypothesis, it's a statement of fact given you blindly regurgitate propaganda and present it as objective fact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Maybe a Ray of hope. Israel to pause operations in parts of gaza and allow the UN to coordinate relief and open new aid routes.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,772 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: Thread tidied up. If you have an issue with a post please report it and give us a chance to get to get to it, rather then replying. Personal abuse of other posters is not tolerated regardless of what they post, any more of this will come with a warning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,037 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    Just a wild guess, but this is exactly what the isrealis want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,526 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Nowhere near enough, its tokenism so that they can go on western media and claim that aid has been let in and fighting was paused.

    They'll then blame Hamas for stealing the aid and continue with the genocide

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 250 ✭✭tarvis


    i I think I’d rather lie down and die rather than battle my starving neighbours at a crash landed pallet.
    Disgusting. Shameful. Criminal. Unforgettable. Unforgivable. .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Maybe so. But it's an admission of their failure with their own system and the fact that gazans are actually starving, which a good few posters on here were adamant wasn't happening. This announcement confirms what anyone watching what was happening knew fine well, but wouldn't bring themselves to admit publicly because the Israelis had the right to do this to get rid of Hamas. What a crock of bullshit, I wonder how the excusers will excuse that now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Why isn't the international community united in forcing Israel to allow UN full authority to re-enter Gaza to try to properly tackle the starvation and sickness in Gaza, now that it it has been debunked that Hamas was stealing UN aid - the whole reason for this blockade? This is Gazans only chance.

    These parachute drops, to me, are nothing but complicity in genocide under the veneer of "doing something to help".

    This is the mechanism of genocide in action before our eyes, and this response is as ineffective as a plaster on a shotgun wound. Nobody seems to be tackling the root of the problem, it is bananas.

    It just looks like our collective western leaders are doing the minimum needed to save their own skin when things go south.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,994 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    I haven't posted on this thread in 5 months or so. Predictably the same pro Israeli, IDF posters are still posting the same rubbish. Not one has backed down and said they were in any way wrong, Israel has really gone too far. No they've doubled down.

    At the heart of it is racism and sectarianism. A feeling that Arabs are inferior and all Muslims are terrorists in disguise. Some have bought into the chosen people guff. The culture wars rubbish is also at play. In their tiny minds support for Palestine equals more leniency on immigration and woke values. A lot of the Irish 'patriots' on X wrap themselves in Israeli flags. They're the Ireland is full brigade, they've a new found devotion to Christianity and the bible they think Loyalist murderers are their friends.

    It's a sad state of affairs when people can't see right from wrong and all this nonsense has brainwashed them. They don't seem to realise that if they end up in A&E 4 times out of 5 they'll be treated by an Arabic, Muslim doctor, far more educated than them. A humane person as far removed from terrorism as any of us. People who make a huge contribution to Ireland and western States in general.

    The pro Israeli posters on here are driven by anti Muslim and Arabic feeling.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Miriam Margoyles a Jewish actress is quoted as saying "Hitler won. He changed us. He has made us like him". Sums it up really. Truly tragic. The world response to the Gaza genocide has been disgraceful. Israelis will never be allowed to forget they allowed this to happen. They can't claim ignorance. They have shown themselves to be devoid of humanity and decency. A very small minority of Jews are sickened by it. But too few to make a difference sadly. The Jews have become Nazis.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭freebritney


    It's very hard to see how a society can continue to survive when the vast majority of it's citizens support the current actions in Gaza.

    "A June 2025 Hebrew University poll found that 64% of Israelis agree with the statement “there are no innocents in Gaza.” That sentiment is overwhelmingly concentrated among Jewish Israelis: about 87% of ruling coalition voters, 73% of right-wing non-coalition voters, 67% of centrists, and even 30% of left‑wing voters endorsed that view. Only about 8% felt Israelis should “care quite a lot” or “very much” about civilian suffering"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,770 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Unfortunately when it comes to Israel, the rest of the world aren't able to help.

    If this was happening in any other region of the world, the west would have organised a coalition of armies and stormed in. Instead we all just sit idly by and watch the wanton slaughter for 2 years. Well, we sit idly by, some countries are actually complicit it the slaughter, by supplying the means to carry it out, and unwavering support for anything the Israelis do.

    History will not forget them. And should never be allowed to. The real story needs to be told for decades to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    the rest of the world aren't able to help

    I get what you mean, but the phrasing of that sentence paint this as impossible - they are able to help if they have a genuine will.

    Fair enough Macron putting his efforts into formulating a plan to recognize a Palestinian state - and I'm not trying to say it isn't important but it does nothing to solve the acute situation of mass murder - because that is what it is - not starvation- that we are seeing.

    If you were a Gazan whose children were starving to death, France recognising Palestine is absolutely doing nothing to help them outside of sending a message to Israel.

    Efforts have to be put into forcing Israel to reinstate UN aid to save lives, then we can look at sending messages to Israel (and putting the instigators before the ICC) - right now the situation has to be saving lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    There are many polls showing similar data, it's crazy.

    Is the Hebrew University also antisemetic to perform this poll @markodaly, or is it possibly just another indicator that shows the increasing radicalization of Israeli society?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    excellent point - I see this partial about-turn as both an admission of their failings (though they still deny there is starvation) and the increasing external political pressure.

    I believe there are people who have a good knowledge of what is about to transpire. This is what has spurred on the west and mage Israel (begrudgingly) implement a partial halt to hostilities. Whilst it is better than nothing, there are many Gazans for whom this will make no difference - they will still starve.

    I believe the body bag count will increase exponentially.

    This is way too little way too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,058 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Can we change the title of the thread to something that more accurately represents the mass genocide and starvation being perpetuated by the Israeli government?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I think Macron is making a calculated choice here.

    He is trying to get the UK to row in on recognising Palestine. Hence no formal announcement until the GA in September. That gives Starmer a bit of thinking time, especially as he now has to consider the 200+ MPs demanding recognition.

    Of course, recognising Palestine is not really going to change very much very quickly. But if two of the G7 are behind it, more will follow.

    Membership of the UN for Palestine will only happen if/when the US are amenable to it - they hold a veto and will use it.

    Still, there are 75% of UN members who have recognised Palestine. When that goes north of 80%, I think that will be a massive statement to the remaining UN members.

    Aside from the above, it will make Israel very weak as their list of "allies" grows thinner, dwindling to near zero.

    But, a weak Israel is not the solution either. A strong Israel minus all the warmongering elements and illegal occupations etc. could be a huge part of a solution. So that does mean banging ME heads together and getting them all to agree to peace - doesn't mean they need to be besties but if they can just avoid being sworn enemies…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    powerful opinion piece from Haaretz:


    The Israeli government is guilty of the crime of starving Gaza.

    In a series of irresponsible moves and against the advice of all experts, Israel has dismantled the mechanism of the United Nations and humanitarian organizations that prevented famine in Gaza for most of the war.

    In this way, Israel has caused starvation that has so far killed 133 people, including 87 children.

    On top of this, last week the government launched a blame campaign against the UN in an attempt to deflect responsibility for the catastrophe… Israel's allegations are groundless.

    First, the UN doesn't have any forces in Gaza, the Israeli army does.

    The people, humanitarian organizations and the UN are entirely dependent on the officers' goodwill.

    Every humanitarian move – like getting trucks from Kerem Shalom to the Muwasi area that's home to displaced people, getting medical teams into Gaza, and providing fuel for hospitals – is coordinated with the army"

    Nir Hasson



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 250 ✭✭tarvis


    CNN reports that although Gaza has the Med as its western boundary the IDF has forbidden sea fishing. This source of food is cut off as is fishing as a means of earning a livelihood.

    Hard to believe that in 2925 the rest of the world can do nothing about a wholly man made famine.

    Can do nothing or can’t be bothered doing anything?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,079 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Has there ever been anyone more evil and depraved than the Zionists on social media? I've never seen anything like it : even the usual racists and far right types are almost mild in comparison. They simply cannot handle their regime and ideology being criticised and are going to the most unbelievable and extreme ends to defend it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,677 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The air-drops are too little too late. They need to let the trucks in.

    "Israeli officers admit spoiling aid from 1,000 trucks at southern Gaza’s Kerem Shalom crossing"

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250726-israeli-officers-admit-spoiling-aid-from-1000-trucks-at-southern-gazas-kerem-shalom-crossing/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLzacJleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHknzCAgprR3lAVVVzdj9gylyM6cmeA7bFIBDPEL9PHbnzCHgPPmGvBCb37ZG_aem_a_D3aNHPqp_Wnt0xxpYFow



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,961 ✭✭✭CFlat


    The air drops are just a sop to the criticism they are now getting. Letting the trucks in would fix the problem far to quick for BN and the IDF. There are still a lot of Palestinians to be slaughtered yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    Israel is most likely in its death throes. A strong Israel is not the answer to seeking peace in the Middle East. When you have a society that is infested with rabid hatred for Palestinians it is a state beyond redemption. The only solution is a free Palestine where tolerant Jews can live alongside the natives of the land as equals before the law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,079 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    They've pretty much blown it as far as global opinion goes. The charade of them being 'the only democracy in the Middle East' has been exposed as nonsense and most people worldwide probably view them now as a terrorist state and rogue state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,541 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    They can't let trucks in without allowing journalists in

    Air dropping is easy because they can have Palantir keep tabs on everything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,760 ✭✭✭circadian


    The complete dehumanisation of the Palestinians makes me wonder who's next? If Israel continues unchecked, then they'll inevitably move on to someone else. There's absolutely no way a society could spend generations dehumanising a group of people, only to change mindset once they've gotten rid of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I agree - I only hope that those "tolerant" Israelis can ditch the "might is right" MO and simply live and let live. Otherwise there is no hope for peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    You agree? After calling for a strong Israel?

    His post is bunkum. The only solution is a 2 state one. There will never be a single state, they'd kill each other in civil war anyway and one would eventually be the dominant force and genocide and ethnically cleanse the area. The west is invested in Israel, that won't change. The best Palestinians can hope for is their own state with Israel confined to its own border, where they should be. Hopefully that will happen.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    A "strong" Israel without the warmongering… strong as in big enough to accept neighbours and their right to peace and security. Two- state solution - absolutely. Israel to withdraw immediately from all occupied lands (East Jerusalem, Golan, Lebanon, Gaza) and pay reparations (per the ICJ ruling).

    Strong as in big enough to live and let live and put the sword down…

    After all the events over the last 21 months, and the current horrific situation, I'm not sure too many will want to invest or be seen to be investing in Israel any time soon.



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