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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,874 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    If the right did that what kind of policies do you want implemented?

    Do you want womens rights to be restricted again here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭maik3n


    Centre right!!? Are you having a laugh.
    Do you really want to me to list the rogues gallery of newly elected ''vetted'' Reform councillors who recently resigned/were fired for a myriad of reasons including but not limited to racism/bigotry/homophobia/misogyny, fraternising with Nazis etc. They really are just the BNP in a suit and their masks have definitely come off in recent months.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,950 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Reform UK are a party of far right degenerates. I think their good showing in the local elections is the worst thing that could have happened to them as it means they'll now be in the public eye without any power to do anything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,135 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I think it's making the wider public realise they're not alone in finally wanting the change they've asked for with the added bonus labour are changing their approach to somewhat reflect that.

    If reform don't get in the UK is going bankrupt. I wouldn't usually care but a stupid amount of our IPAS friends are coming From the Uk.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,950 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    How will a party of bigots and deplorables save the UK from bankruptcy? Source please.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,135 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    You want a source for a future event yet to happen 😂 That's not how opinions work!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Online safety bill introduced in the UK is already being used to stop videos of protests at migrants accommodation centres being shown on twitter in UK.

    Guaranteed that our government are looking at this and think "mmm that's a good idea" they'll be planning their version of it right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Low hanging fruit is directed at the faux outrage of this attack simply because the victim wasn't an Irish White Male. Many a young White Irish Chap has had their heads kicked in on the streets outside chippers and pubs but it never has been attributed as a racist attack simply because he was White. (some of those chaps have went to an all to early grave because of it). Some of these attacks have even been perpetrated by non-White individuals and even then, the racist accusations were never slinged the way of the perpetrator in those attacks. I guess the moral dilemma is too big to accept in those situations, so much easier to ignore and move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    And “Retribution”? Really? You’re not just giving off anti-immigrant vibes, now you’re flirting with incitement. That’s not passionate debate, that’s dangerous talk. There's nothing patriotic about threatening people for having different views, and it’s definitely not helping anything. Just makes you sound unhinged.

    Retribution - yes a strong word. Seeming as consequences and accountability are clearly absent in the room now when it comes to this topic. Retribution needs to be dished out in the form of severe financial penalties for those who have demonstrated continuous lack of judgement in their roles.

    A charge of negligence in their roles as minister, where established, should warrant a removal of or a penalty tax in ministerial pensions might focus the minds of those in power to deliver appropriate results in keeping with their promises to the electorate.

    Another words, feck up in your role - and I mean, royally feck up - pay the price. You ain't swanning off into the sunset with a full back pocket at our expense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    God forbid we see mums pushing buggies up to the local 'cop-shop' in Epping to voice their dissent. The shock and horror of it all - how dare they!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,765 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I have no answer for you except I disagree and I think there are many people who despite agreeing that we are all struggling would not want a system where families with children were not given priority on the basis of need .

    That is the way our system has always worked since the 1970s It's not something brought in by any particularly left wing government nor a left wing society at that time so go figure .

    Obviously wasn't envisaged choices would be made between Irish adults and immigrant children but immigration was not unknown at the time although a lot less .

    Are you saying that all our social protection laws should be changed to favour Irish citizens over immigrant families and children ?

    Might cause a bit of a stir not to mention need a change of government .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,325 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    If the UK did its part to stop the boats, Ireland wouldn’t be overwhelmed by the fallout. Yet the Irish government continues to open the doors.... People are getting angrier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Spot on. Welfare in this country is too generous in the sense that the longer one is in the welfare trap, the better the conditions get. So, if Patrick Irishman or Mary Irishwoman feel they're too good to slum it out cleaning offices/hotel rooms/etc… then they need a little needle to pop their balloon of an ego.

    Instead of simply 'giving up' on a cohort of society who simply "won't work and never will work" they need the screw tightened much harder than is currently demonstrated to force their hand into adapting into the real world where working hard is the only prospect of meaningful survival.

    The idea that some industries are bringing in non-EU labour because our welfare system is far too generous is a massive canary in the coal-mine. You are simply putting a plaster over the cracks. Bring in non-EU nationals to fill these roles because Government is too lazy to chase Irish people off the dole is simply kicking a can down the road.

    Bringing in non-EU workers to satisfy industry that is all to eager to direct reap the quick rewards of physical labour and funnel those rewards into shareholder dividends and generous C-Suite bonuses is the end game, a short end-game. What many fail to realise is that when these non-EU workers settle and have children is, that these second-generation children won't work the roles their parent(s) did.

    Now we arrive at the situation where multi-culturalism ultimately fails. The descendants of non-EU workers will have lived and grown up with native peers whose native parents never did physical labour or worked in truly hard conditions. They will also feel that if they "won't work and never will" the system will 'give up on them' as the system gave up on natives previously.

    Now, we're into a very different realm. We don't just have a generation of natives who won't work and never will, we now have a new cohort to add into the mix. Second generation migrants who feel their share of the welfare pie is just as equal as the natives. A nasty concoction of social conflict that will not end well - and enact all the hate speech laws and ASBOS laws, etc all you want, you won't stop that strife.

    But, but, but the Irish left and the progressives cheer this on despite the warnings, despite the evidence of where other European nations are at further down this road of failure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Oh and whatever happened to EU 'Solidarity'?

    Why must Ireland seek out non-EU workers while multiple southern EU nations report youth unemployment rates of anywhere between 10% and 30%. Why are we not enticing those young people here in solidarity with the plight of the southern European peoples facing hard economic hardship?

    Something tells me that southern Europeans are not 'sun-kissed' enough to bring them in. Somehow.

    Solidarity with the EU my planet Uranus. Solidarity with unsecured bank bondholders in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Some? Most are. Speaking locally to residents who I would consider quite liberal in their political views, have had enough. They are finally getting up off their backsides and rolling their sleeves up ready to stop what is happening.

    By the day it's becoming more and more acceptable to hold hostile views against mass-immigration to this country. People on the ground are talking, one-to-one, mothers, fathers, grandparents - all cohorts.

    The gig is up. There is a seismic change underway. Anyone denying this is no longer living in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭HattrickNZ


    So whats the plan so far? Wait till the next election? The president election will create debate, but other than that i am not seeing it.

    I would like a president that asked the question re the eu pact we opted into. Not sign it into law. Ask the question should it be put to the people.

    Democracy is interesting. This govt got the mandate to run the country but not to open the borders. I know or accept that we cant ask the people on everything, but this immigration thing is not going to end well....imho. i dont want to find out the hard way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭riddles


    We have a significant amount of EU nationals living here on welfare some who never paid tax here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭HattrickNZ


    Nice idea but not sure how it would work. Current system is they get voted out for balls up or someone ekse gets voted in in stead the balls up potentially continues..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    👆🏿🤣🤣🤣🤣

    So now the political sea change is going to come at the presidential election.

    Seeing as the silent majority was more of a silent fart at the last general election.

    Of course when this silent majority elects a racist president they are going to equip them with magic powers they don't have.

    Like refusing to sign an act for anything other than constitutional concerns.

    F'ing delusional.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,291 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The presidential campaign will be a damp squib, the main parties have it sewn up, its a closed shop, there will be no alternative candidate on the ballot paper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    The only reason FFG are in government is quite simply because the offerings and utterings of the opposition is much worse. Remember that. FFG's share of the Irish electorates vote is at an all time low combined.

    If anyone somehow thinks the fact that this crowd are in government is some sort of 'endorsement' of the current carry-on surrounding immigration then they are even more deluded than many have given credit for.

    As for the Presidential Election, it's a side-show. The role is pretty much ceremonial. Voting in a crank isn't going to change diddly squat. Anyone worth their salt knows that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    It was mostly teenagers who did this. The types of scrotes who would dish out the same treatment to an elderly White Irish man who happened to have a few hundred €uro in his wallet.

    The fact the victim wasn't White Irish is just a convenient fact for some to use as some sort of gotcha to imply that if you are against mass-migration you somehow in their warped world view support attacks on non-nationals here.

    It's classic gas-lighting 101 designed to tug on the heartstrings of the emotionally sensitive and low IQ types. Those using this attack to further their political axe couldn't give two continental fooks about the victim - as long as they score points off the attack is all that matters.

    Pathetic and clear as day as to what is being peddled from some quarters (not yours!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Fantastic, great to know you got out and saved on C02 emissions. Nothing like walking the walk instead of talking the talk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,731 ✭✭✭tom23


    opposition as useful as a fart in a space suit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,503 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Must be great to be living in a blissfully oblivious world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,297 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    It does read more like a victim complex to say Irish people are second class citizens.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭pauly58


    A migrant staying at the Royal Beach Hotel in Southsea, Portsmouth, was jailed for 10 years after a violent sex attack on a woman in her 40s. Rabie Knissi, 33, pushed the woman against a parked car and tried to rape her.He was convicted of attempted rape, assault by penetration, and actual bodily harm.The case is one of over 700 serious crimes linked to asylum seekers in UK hotels in the past three years, raising fresh concerns over migrant housing and public safety.

    Of course it will never happen here, it's starting to sound like Jim Power & the crash will never happen here, guess what.



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