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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,681 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    The fact that the UN can't recognise Palestine without the sayso of France just another example of how pitiful the UN is.

    What crap talk is this? 147 nations recognise Palestine as it stands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Go for it. I'm still waiting for you to answer my question, don't think I'll be forgetting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,272 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    What crap talk is this?

    You can't be at all surprised really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    Quite telling the questions you avoided and the blatant hypocrisy. Why wouldn't the Arabs want control? they made up 2/3 of the population in 1948 and most of the Jewish population had only arrived there in the previous 25 years. In 1920, the Arab's were 85% of the population, but were not afforded any rights to create a country in the intervening years. How do people who just arrived get the same right to a country as the people who lived there for centuries. And of course knowing your defence of the existence of Northern Ireland over the years, lets not forget the hegemony the Unionists got with the same numbers and that was with moving the lines to create a majority, so you can drop the hypocritical BS about Arabs wanting dominance.

    It was the decisions of Western powers with Balfour/Sykes-Picot, whilst ignoring the wishes of the Arabs that helped create the ethnic divisions. The only people who did the research and rejected the Zionist project predicted exactly what would happen as early as 1920, but they were ignored by those same western powers. That is what is sad, everything has happened as was forewarned, the UN decision also ignored those predictions.

    If the US really wanted to, they could sort this in no time, but that would require Israel to make compromises which the US will not force them to do. If the US threatened to cut off arms supplies, the Israelis would fall into line real quick.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I suspect that post demonstrates the poster doesn't appear to understand what "recognising a State" mean/entails.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Is he referring to the fact it's not a full member but instead a non member observer state? Along with the Vatican mind you. You need a two thirds majority in the vote which they'd get but without any vetos from the 5 countries who have them. I'm guessing this is where the issue arises.

    China, France, Russia, the UK, and the US have veto power.

    Argentina, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Nauru, Fiji, Tonga, Palau, Nauru, Micronesia, Hungary, US and Israel voted against so with really only the US stands in their way of full membership.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭Fr D Maugire


    Again with the weasel words Blanch, you have never criticised what the IDF are doing. If you do not support what they are doing, why can you simply not say the actions of the IDF are over the top and unnecessary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,548 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Your stupid **** question makes no sense mo Charizard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Are you okay buddy? Was it you who linked a poster to a mental health website the other day? Mo dhia…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,548 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    It was not. But again, thanks for showing how utterly stupid you are.

    I'd link you to a resource for that but not enough professionals exist to fix it

    Mod Edit: Warned for personal abuse

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I would have possibly demonstrated that but for the fact it was a question rather than stated as fact.

    Speaking of questions please address mine and stop this side show which is turning into more of a cry for help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,548 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Lay out in plain terms whatever question it is you are asking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Feel free to scroll back, take a deep breath and reply without any expletives. I would repeat but I don't take orders from Zionists. Hopefully when I wake up tomorrow I've gotten a mature response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Ah can it, a pair of pro IDF sycophants slapping each others arses is all that is. Absolutely pathetic.

    I literally provided you with a quote from a respected conservative politician, former minister etc, where he claims the below was said to him:

    And there's another fundamental problem in this negotiation, which is that I was speaking to somebody who's very, very senior in Israeli national security, very close to Netanyahu. Who said to me, of course, when the hostages are returned, we will then have no reason not to wipe Gaza off the face of the earth.

    So how are you supposed to get a deal together when Hamas feels the hostages are their one guarantee on some form of restraint by the Israelis, that it's the only thing that's holding the Israelis back from going even further?

    Why would they honestly return the remaining hostages if... The sense they get is that when they return those remaining hostages, Netanyahu will just radically increase and redouble his efforts to wipe them all out. Why would they do that?

    Will you sit there and slander him, as you did me, as a Hamas supporter? Is he saying Hamas are right to have taken hostages? Is he lying do you think? To what end?

    It is absolutely pathetic.

    Answer my question - how can you say with any certainty that the release of those hostages will not result in a ramped up genocide of Gazans? Why should a guarantee not being sought to ensure their safety?

    All I am getting is that we should take the word of wanted war criminals, currently engaging in a genocide against said people, that it won't happen. It's mind bogglingly stupid.

    Post edited by Miniegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    If you want a discussion just answer the question you’ve been asked maybe 10 times now and refuse to acknowledge,

    Do you condemn Israel and the IDF for their actions over the past 2 years?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    The Palestinian hostages held since pre Oct 7th?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Absolutely I understand it. I don't rely on horsh*t narratives that make no sense sheepy.

    Israel have set out to systematically destroy Palestinians civilians under the guise of fighting Hamas, who are very much still in power in Gaza after two years of fighting - why do you think that is?

    They can destroy extremely sophisticated militaries thousands of miles away, but can't topple a gang of thugs armed with automatic rifles and homemade rockets launchers in an enclave they have complete control of? Why?

    Even the most extreme of IDF lackeys in this thread admit Hamas is defeated yet hundreds of Palestinians civilians are slaughtered every week. Why?

    Israeli companies are bulldozing the bombed homes of Gaza as we speak, and the IDF are corralling 2 million starving people around a couple of aid hubs, and as I said, literally forcing fish into a barrell. Those who don't go will starve to death. Why?

    These are the very mechanisms of genocide - the movement of populations into small areas. Their politicians speak of genocide. Their actions are those of genocide. And we have a British politician on record telling us that an associate very close to Netenyahu claimed that once the hostages are back, they will wipe Gaza off the face of the earth.

    Why is all of this discounted by you?

    I have never posted a single word in support of terrorists, absolutely the opposite, and could care less what religion anyone is. I don't agree that the lives of 20 innocent civilians are worth the lives of 2 million, and you are saying it is antisemetic to say that. Pathetic.

    Address my points like an adult and stuff your Hamas supporter comments.

    Post edited by Miniegg on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    If civilians are allowed to live, absolutely.

    Notice how I answer all questions. Funny that isn't it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I admire and applaud your tenacity.

    I think the chances of you receiving a cogent response is as likely as me not being executed by an IDF sniper whilst running through the Netzarim corridor shouting "surrender" in Hebrew * and waving a white flag.

    The misquoting of your posts, the slander and misrepresentation of your stance is purely indicative that there is no cogent response possible to your serious questions.

    All they have left is name calling and misrepresentation. That's all. It's a very common theme lately - just keep regurgitating the Hasbara. They're as gullible as Mencer.

    * yes, I speak Hebrew



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Tbh dmcdona, those two posters are different from many of the other pro IDF minions on this thread who can barely string a sentence together and mindlessly parrot the absolute guff they get fed. I nearly give them a pass.

    But those two... I don't know if it is their eloquence, or the many questions they choose not to answer...you just get the feeling that they know full well what is going on.

    They know it's a completely ludicrous position to say that the Irish people would ever support an Islamic terrorist group. They know the vast majority of people here aren't antisemetic. They know the UN aren't antisemetic, or the WHO, or Amnesty International or Médecins Sans Frontieres or the dozens and dozens of other international bodies calling for an end to this war that have been labelled as such. They know Gazans are starving to death because of Israeli blockades and being massacred when they try to access aid. They know Hamas are a crude terrorist organisation and unable to influence the media of the western world - which is far more islamophobic than it is antisemetic. They know which country banned journalists from reporting on Gaza, and the dark reasoning behind any country enforcing something like this. They know the genocidal words that have come from Israeli politicians mouths. They know about genocide, and how Israel are hitting every milestone of it, and their plans only involve ramping this up. They know Hamas aren't in all the hospitals and school and religious buildings and hundreds of thousands of homes in Gaza that the IDF blew up, filled with civilians. They know the IDF are systematically targeting children. They know it all, im sure of it.

    And they don't care. They choose to ignore it. To lie and slander to cover it up. It makes them all the more contemptible, and they will get no luck for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭batman75


    It is critical for peace in the middle east that the Zionist ideology is consigned to history. It is this ideology which permits the society in Israel to back a genocide. Israel a country born out of a holocaust is perpetrating genocide. It beggars belief. The hunted have become the hunter.

    All those Jews who chose to look away, who chose to stay silent, who chose to cheer on genocide whether they be within Israel or outside have betrayed the memories of those who died in the Holocaust. Israel is clearly a broken society fuelled by irrational hatred of the native people of Palestine.

    A society running on hate can never have peace either with its neighbours or itself. Gaza must be a watershed. The turning of the tide for the Palestinian people. The darkest chapter in their recent history must soon allow the turning of a page to a brighter future.

    The international community must turn the screw on Israel until it collapses from within. The cruel inhumane society must be made to look at what it has done. To answer for their blatant inhumanity. For each and every perpetrator of genocide to face justice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,609 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Palestine cannot become a member of the UN without the approval of the Security Council on which France has a veto, and the US. So the UN cannot recognise Palestine without the sayso of France, and more importantly the US.

    So what "crap" understanding of how the UN works do you have? And isn't pitiful that the US can prevent Palestine being a member of the UN, just like it is pitiful that Russia can veto the deployment of our military.

    So, yes, the UN are pitiful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,609 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Your answer to the issue is to allow Hamas to continue committing war crimes by retaining the hostages. And you then have the hypocrisy to criticise others as war criminals?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,609 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I have never expressed support for the actions of Israel and the IDF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,609 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The same hostages that Macron has called to be released, those taken by Hamas on October 7th.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,993 ✭✭✭✭Grayson




    One of the soldiers who worked for the Israelis Humanitarian fund is stating that he saw both the IDF and american contractors mercenaries, committing war crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    Unbelievable. You just cannot stop lying.

    Did you read the quote?

    Answer my question.

    how can you say with any certainty that the release of those hostages will not result in a ramped up genocide of Gazans? Why should a guarantee not being sought to ensure their safety?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    You have never condemned them, even as they engage in genocide and massacre children. Why?

    I have never expressed support for Hamas, and routinely condemn them, yet you labelled me a terrorist supporter.

    If we use your logic what can we deduce you support?



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