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Social Democrat TD apologises for misleading the public

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    How do you know that he was happy about it? Are you a family member or a close friend or are you just belatedly clambering onto the bonfire so you can throw your crumbling firelighter onto the blaze?

    I'm no fan of the Sop Dems and this kind of witless virtue signalling is exactly what I'd expect from them. So I'd like to see Hayes resigning from the Party on the basis that he no longer wants to be associated with such a bunch of preening, posturing, sanctimonious nonentities - (especially in a situation where it's highly unlikely that they'll ever let him run for them again).

    Hayes's success in the private sector sugests that he has some real ability - unlike most of his fellow SDs - and he could do well if he followed the example of Stephen Donnelly whose political career only really started after he had left the moralising fence sitters and moved to a party that actually wanted to govern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,665 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Presumably you struggle with English Comprehension. I suggest that you carefully read the question to which I was responding and I'm sure that, in time, you'll work it out. (But no need to apologise - I'm used to dealing with the confuused!)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Blut2


    "happy to do something" is a phrase in Hiberno-English that means you're willing to do something, it doesn't suggest any sort of emotion. You might want to calm down and brush up on your Irish colloquialisms, since you're so interested in reading comprehension, when you're posting on an Irish forum.

    Hayes also can't resign from the party, since hes already been suspended from it.

    Theres no place for his kind of dishonesty in modern Irish politics, it doesn't matter what success hes had in the private sector. We've had enough sociopaths with no problems lying for their own financial benefit in Irish politics over the years, we don't need any more Haugheys in this day and age.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,207 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    But nothing he did was illegal, nothing was improper. He lied about when he sold the shares is all he did. Which is poor form and the fact he got the party leadership involved is a valid reason to be suspended.

    But if they had no problems with his employment history when he first joined and ran for election, why should it matter now?



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  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    ah Jesus give me strength do you think this is the worst lie ever told by a serving politician?

    What about ahern just as the first example to mind?

    I mean fcuk me he was stupid to do it but the way some are acting you think he’d lied about sitting on millions, while having an affair on his wife and beating his children when he got home after riding his mistress.

    He fudged some dates. Boo hoo!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,276 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Hayes also can't resign from the party, since hes already been suspended from it.

    What?! of course he can.

    I am dismayed by the willingness of the majority of posters on this thread to automatically assume an inaccuracy is a lie. I can only assume they only vote for politicians of esteemed virtue who have never made a single mistake in their lives.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Blut2


    I just read last week's Phoenix which has an article on Hayes, where it mentions (prior to all this) Hayes launching a high profile campaign for the SocDems called "Honest Politics, Better Government: Restoring Trust in Politics and Public Life" before all of this. You couldn't make it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    Speak for yourself - I could! it wouldn't really require much imagination. Indeed I suspect that an average fifth class kid would be able to make something similar up without much of a struggle.

    But why was Hayes launching a high profile campaign for the Soc Dems when he wasn't even a TD before the last election?Surely that was the Party Leader's or acting Leader's job? Maybe you misunderstood what the Phoenix article contained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,367 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Do feel free to read the article yourself, which explicitly names him as part of the launch of the campaign. Page 16 of the May 2nd Phoenix. You'd have to ask the SocDems why he was launching it.

    If you don't understand the hypocrisy in a politician launching a campaign called "Honest Politics, Better Government: Restoring Trust in Politics and Public Life" shortly before he was caught lying to the public, on national TV, about hundreds of thousands of euros of personal investments then its rather on you.

    What Hayes did was exactly the opposite of honest politics, or better government, and only undermined trust in politics and public life.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Mod: I'll remind people to read and understand the charter before posting again - some posts deleted



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭StormForce13


    I stopped renewing my subscription to The Phoenix soon after John Mulcahy passed away. Very sadly, the pygmies who succeeded him quickly reduced it to little more than a second rate rag mag for a third rate readership.

    As for your infantile sideswipe - I know the difference between an elected TD and a potential TD, which is why I questioned the use by the Sop Dems of an unelected citizen to launch what The Phoenic informed you was a "high profile" campaign.

    I also understand what "hypocrisy" means. It would accurately describe the recent antics of the SD "Brains Trust" when arguing that Hayes both was and wasn't a Sop Dem TD!

    Mod: warning given!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,665 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Hayes first time speaking in the Dail, so he gives an introductory speech.

    No verbal apology for lying to everyone.

    Transcript

    As this is my first time speaking in the House, I want to start by thanking the Minister of State and the many Members of the House from all parties and none who have been so welcoming to me since the start of the Dáil term. While friendships may be tested through the course of political life, I hope I can earn and keep the respect of my colleagues, as I promise respect for them and for the mandate entrusted to me by the Irish people and by Bunreacht na hÉireann. It would be remiss of me not to thank also the more than 100 ardent campaigners and supporters who helped to get me elected, many of whom are here today. In particular I thank my campaign manager Kieran Clarke, and the two campaigners, constituents and members of my party, Amy and Paul, who have joined my staff. I was and am so lucky to be surrounded by such great friends and family. In particular I thank my mom and dad, Marina and Eamon, who have been the most loving and dedicated parents I could have asked for, and my partner Triona, who has been the greatest joy and most solid rock I have ever had. Lastly, but most importantly, I owe a profound gratitude to the thousands of constituents in south Dublin city who honoured me with their vote and the great privilege of representing them here. It has been deeply humbling to receive a mandate from my peers in the pursuit of a better country, guided by the principles of social justice and progressive politics. I take up the mantle with deep reverence for the trust they have placed in me and the encouragement they have given me since I have been elected.

    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/2025-05-22/39/#s41

    No verbal apology to the people that supported him.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,665 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Suspension lifted by SDs

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2025/0725/1525433-eoin-hayes-suspension/

    He says he gave 50k to Gaza charities which represented the uplift in Palantir shares from Oct 7th till when he sold them…

    He still got approaching 150k out of the shares. (was his regular salary terrible?). The other element of his deceit was saying how he was unable to afford to buy his own place to live without mentioning he was sitting on over a 100k of shares.

    Choosing Oct the 7th as the day not to further profit from an Israeli military contractor is kinda odd.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,500 ✭✭✭✭elperello




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,276 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    He still got approaching 150k out of the shares. (was his regular salary terrible?). The other element of his deceit was saying how he was unable to afford to buy his own place to live without mentioning he was sitting on over a 100k of shares.

    So what? He was entitled to that 150k.

    Jeez, imagine what the political history of Ireland would have looked like if every FF TD who'd ever pocketed a dodgy 100k from a developer / failed to declare tax on a 100k capital gain had been hauled over the coals - you know, actual crimes.

    And in today's Ireland 100k of shares does not necessarily mean one is able to afford to buy a home

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭purifol0


    Look it boils down to standards and hypocrisy. The SocDems decided to go holier than thou feminist wokesters, they dont get to talk down to anyone when they are obviously willing to break their own rules for a quick buck, or tell lies of convienience.

    "And in today's Ireland 100k of shares does not necessarily mean one is able to afford to buy a home"

    Well the SocDems are pro mass immigration, so despite their constant crowing about housing if they actually got in power their policies would keep gaff prices high!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    It's nothing but political correctness and virtue signalling. Unfortunately the populace will buy it hook, line and sinker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,207 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    A reminder (yet again): he wasn't suspended because he had these shares or because he sold them. He was suspended because he lied about the timelines of when he sold them, and made his leaders look silly as a result.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,482 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    all forgiven now though, so tis back to business, happens a bit in politics, lying is extremely common in politics, its just a part of it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,276 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well between this and getting into bed with Sinn Fein, they've lost my vote. It's a pity as their local councillor here would make a great TD and wasn't far off getting in last time.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,482 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    no real alternatives available, as going into government with ffg would more than likely lead to annihilation, as has happened with other parties, so its either sf, or sf, sh1te really, but thats where ireland is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,665 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Cian O'Callaghan's administrative assistant resigns over his reinstatement. https://x.com/MarthaReidy/status/1950234466850681143

    She doesn't dwell on the lying…, I did say that attaching the donation to October 7th was weird for many reasons, and she points out the 'poor renter' charade of performed.

    I think shameless politicians are the biggest problem we have.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,086 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, naive and deeply unserious people like her are.

    Absolutely deluded she is. So typical of the left in Ireland. Pressing the nuclear button for every little thing means you'll never build any sort of momentum and put yourself in a position to actually deliver. They look like a complete clown school, and voters will simply not take them seriously.

    By the way, Holly Cairns has been on maternity leave for 8 months now. Any danger she might come back and actually lead the party and represent the people she was elected to? And that we all are paying her for.

    If she doesn't make it back soon, there won't be much of a party left to lead I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,207 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I presume she'll be back after the summer break. Nice caring attitude you have there to new mothers.

    I do agree that the parliamentary assistant stepping down is a naive action on her part though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,839 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    It would be interesting to know how much he earned but I suspect it was small. He worked there for two years having only two years of prior employment experience. He has an MSc in mgt from LBS which would have meant it was a bit above a graduate entry job but not much. Since he came back to Ireland he has been “fractional”, ie trading on his wits providing back/middle office services to start ups.


    It would not even surprise me if he didn’t even understand what Palantir’s business was. He doesn’t seem to be particularly intelligent or business focused. He left Palantir 3 years before they floated at $10 and it seems he sold off the shares at $22-25. What amuses me most (schadenfreude, I know) is that they have since hit $160 and the weasel-worded individual has missed out on a much greater result. I am disappointed that he is my local TD, that he was so lacking in character or candour that he lied so publicly and embarrassed the other SocDems. I take succour from the fact that is probably kicking himself for losing out on $1.2m or thereabouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,276 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There was no need for SD to support SF's disgraceful carry-on in Dail Eireann which showed complete disrespect to the house and to the Ceann Comhairle, and I believe there was no benefit to SD in supporting it either.

    Agreed that party is going off the rails in Cairns' absence, she is entitled to her time off but might be best off running as an independent next time at this rate. Her stand-in leader is clueless.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,086 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    As a party leader at a crucial time for her party and the country, she has a national responsibility which exceeds that of her family situation.

    Her child is now nine months old and still no sign of her. In many countries she would have been obliged to return within weeks. As it goes, statutory maternity in Ireland is 26 weeks, which is as much as most Irish working mothers can afford to take. She has been gone for 35 weeks, and no doubt won't be seen until the Dáil resumes, which will take her up to 42.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,207 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Matt Cooper and Ivan Yates discussed this today. Ivan was his usual blow hard rubbish but Matt Cooper pointed out that there has been very little legislation going on in the dail, and the important time for a party leader is in lead up to next election, not in the aftermath of one.

    Isn't it good she felt able to take the important time with her family while she could?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,086 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I didn't listen to it yet, but from what you've said, Cooper's point is nonsense.

    Her party is in deep trouble NOW.

    First they had the Eoin Hayes affair. Then they let Sinéad Gibney go off on solo runs as a novice, and so appallingly bad she was they had to order a portfolio reshuffle ,within 3 months of a new Dáil, and get her far away from foreign and defence policy.

    Subsequently they've been championing bullsh1t tokenistic policies that are deeply unserious in the current climate. And now the Hayes re-admission has been equally badly managed.

    I'm not saying Cairns would have managed things any better than O'Callaghan, and no doubt she was involved at arm's length, but O'Callaghan has been absolutely pathetic and needs to be shepherd's hooked urgently.

    By example, it should never have come to the point where the Soc Dems and Labour ended up as reluctant backers of a hugely dodgy pres candidate like Connolly.

    They had the numbers between them to nominate a serious person, from outside the Oireachtas, which would have protected their numbers and potentially made a big impact on the campaign. People like Caoilfhoinn Gallagher, Averil Power and Aubrey McCarthy were being mentioned in the background.

    But instead both parties look like saps. At least the Sanctimonious Dems had the excuse of their leader being AWOL. I'm not sure what Labour's excuse is.



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