All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2025 (Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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(4) missing the chance to go 7pts up immediately after the start of the 2nd half did not help matters - all these things add up.

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something going on with my buttons, so

(5) the putting off did not help Cork

(6) the scored penalty further challenged Cork.

(7) Teams can thrive on leaders stepping up during the game . Tipp had a few of them eg Maher and the 20 yo Toomevara lad. Nobody stood up for Cork throughout the match

(8)Tipp had more reason to be the hungrier of the two teams - maybe because of the more recent experiences it had with those big defeats by Cork . The hurt was more recent/ more clinical. The 20 year famine was more ‘in the past’/ that was not the fault of the present team apart from last year

In summary, with a team apparently oozing with confidence and those 8 points lurking in the dark , they may help to explain the Cork crash. I fail to believe the flair up in the dressing room , if it was the case, caused the collapse. If management wanted to drop two players and they refused to yield surely you would expect them to PROVE HIM WRONG and the other 13 would play their’ hearts out’

With the fulness of hindsight I think Tipp were very unfairly written off and we (Cork) were ordained as destined to be champions without there being much substance to that.

Tipp drew with Limerick, beat the AI champs in their home patch and beat Waterford in Munster. Their sole loss was to us where they had a man sent off before the ball was thrown in. They also beat Galway handily and KK playing with 14 men for the last 15 mins. That's a pretty impressive run in to the final.

Us on the other hand, drew with Clare luckily after a 2nd half collapse where we squandered a huge lead, got hammered by Limerick where we were pathetic, beat Tipp handily but the entire game was against 14 men, and laboured to a victory over a limited Waterford side. We battled well in the Munster final but some uncharacteristic Limerick mistakes let us off the hook in extra time and in the SF we beat a Dublin team handily who had played the equivalent of their All Ireland final the week previous. How we were such hot favourites is beyond me. Our 2nd half collapse in the All Ireland final was true to form in a lot of ways, we had done it twice already in the Munster round robin.

what was KK's ratio at in 2015 i wonder… they have is it 5/6 finals lost since then

Keane didn't want to be there from day 1. Two ends of a bollix. Cusack the same. Player power, Does no one any good. Keane forced McCarthy's hand.

Keane the fella giving out about the media and how he'd never be one of their number. An absolute hypocrite and media whore. Having a great time playing Paddy for English laughs.

What nonsense about standards and Roy Keane, same shite going around since 2002.

You judge success by results on the pitch. The Cork strikes didn't achieve success on the pitch. There had to be a better way rather than striking, going backwards and other teams cleaning up.

We are in the same league as Galway now serious underachieveers.

You obviously didn't like Man utd or Cork to be coming up with that scutter about Keane. Keane proved what the FAI were which was revealed several years after. Keane wasn't in the world cup just to take part. He was in the frame of mind that Ireland were there to win and wanted everything right to give Ireland the best chance possible. If you think training on a football pitch that was a car park and players getting injured as a result was the correct way to prepare for a world Cup then I can't discuss this any further with you.

You can say the Cork hurlers are bottlers and you are right but seriously also have a look at Galway in both football and hurling and they come under the definition of bottlers tag. Couldnt beat the big three in All Ireland final day and in 2022 gave Kerry the step they needed to get over the line after few near misses. Galway never had a winners tag about them in anything.

Keane may be a sociopath but he was also a winner.

Next year is going to be one of the most interesting championships in a long long time. So many teams will now say hay theres no clear front runner here, everyone has their weaknesses.

Big year coming up for Kilkenny Clare and Limerick especially. Transitions are coming.

Limerick need a change in the HB line. Byrnes is clinging on, Hannon is done. We need changes in the HF line too and we need at least 2 more young lads to break in and join English, O'Neill, O'Brien and O'Connor as real starting prospects.

This is last chance saloon for Clare I feel. Their age profile is unsustainable. After this year theyll need a new FB, CB, midfielder and big changes up front.

Kilkenny, should Lawlor travel could be in trouble but regardless they need a new keeper, new centre back and they need Cody and Mullins to grab that team by the collar and pull them forward.

Waterford are still surprisingly young. They need a fit squad and a game plan that works for them The trouble is their two best players in Bennett and De Burca are nearly done.

Galway need a full rebuild.

For Cork, they just need to deal with it. It doesnt end there, just like if they won it wouldnt have ended there. Just meet again in a few months and get going. They are good enough to be in the conversation next year. It would suit them to have an average league. Let them build into the year as looking at some articles online, theres people in Cork intent on generating hype again as soon as they can and a strong league might do cork more harm than good when heading into the championship. They need to work away now behind the scenes and clean themselves up.

Tipps motivation now changes. Lets see how they deal with that. Theyre young, even if many dont realise it I think theyre the youngest squad of the main teams in the championship. Ronan Maher is 29 ffs and there was people retiring him last year.

My perception of the up coming final changed after I watched Shane Stapleton on OurGame last week and looked into what he was saying. I went from a clear Cork win to a 50/50 with a winner coming down the stretch. Its amazing how his viewpoint was missed by practically everyone.

The team Cork were facing last Sunday they hadnt faced before. All week it was on about the last 3 hammerings Cork gave them but I looked at that Tipp team from 2022 against Cork. Only 7 that started that day started in the final. And of the 7 that did start, I think 5 played in a different position. It was basically a new team from last year. They were also much changed from the league final and RR games. 5 odd new starters and multiple positional changes. And those games were played in Cork with one being with only 14 men for the full game.

Now that alone wasnt enough to make Tipp favourites by any stretch of the imagination, but these changes and their evolution through the year plus the results that followed showed a really competitive side that should have been given more of a chance. And that alone would also have helped Cork.

Also Corks goal scoring reputation was really only based on 5 games this year, 3 of which were league games and then against a 14 man Tipp and naive Dublin. They only scored 1 goal in 6 of their 14 games this year. 66% of their goals this year came in 33% of their matches. That stat was true in the championship and true over the entire year.

In the tight games, the big games, when every ball is fought for, when space is at a minimum, they can be quelled.

Here is a stat for you. Horgan, Hayes and Connolly played in the 2024 All Ireland Final that went to extra time - 90 minutes, the 2025 Munster final that went to extra time - 90 minutes and the 2025 All Ireland Final. They scored 0-13 from play between them over 250 minutes in big finals.

Clares named FF line of McCarthy Rodgers and Reidy (I cant remember how they lined out) scored 2-8 (14) from play in the 2024 final.

Limericks FF line of Gillane O'Connor and Reidy scored 1-6 (9) from play in the Munster final. With O'Brien replacing O'Connor and adding 1-2 from play totalling 2-8 (14) from play.

Tipps FF line of Forde McGrath and McCarthy scored 2-8 (14) from play last Sunday.

Pretty well summed up, Cork people will likely disagree with you though, cult of personality and all that. Hard to believe people are still debating this 23 (!) years later.

welcome 😂😂😂😂😂 Heavy is the crown of expectation. It’s only now people can see the proper level of Galway hurling over the last 15 yrs of the new championship structure. People equate minor success to senior well that’s dogshite of the highest order. Too many young lads in Galway with one and think they’re the second coming. It doesn’t work out stats back that up. Look at the shite going on now looking for a new under 20 manager who placed his stock on small skillful players where has it gotten team. Hammerings by bigger more physical teams, Dublin the last twice. So Galway hurling will be scutter for a while yet. It’s not underachieving it called bad management by county board. They are already hamstringing themselves by not properly identifying the right young lads for the job. Selecting from the few bigger clubs to the exclusion of a lot of teams between loughrea and the eastern half of the county. The number of players is there but the crowd running it are ignoring a large number of young fellas hoping their own ducks turn into swans.
plenty of bigger physical young lads not picked because they wouldn’t be up to the skill level at u14 development squads means they’re excluded the whole way up. Those kids all develop skills at different ages, time is what’s needed. Development squad management only interested in the short term wins rather than the next five ten years down the road for senior preparations.

Is the rivalry at Club level a big problem up there or is that overhyped by the outside.

Heard very bitter rivalry between clubs up there in past.

You would know 1000 times more than I would

The media hyped them to the rafters too.

But Cork have won games that were dogfights this year and last year.

In the games they beat Limerick in their workrate was outstanding. But it was terrible in some games too; most notably against Clare this year in the second half and against Limerick for the whole game (in the Munster round robin game).

That's true although it wasn't lack of workrate that cost them last years All-Ireland final, they just weren't quite good enough on the day.