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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    delete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I have repeatedly stated I wished Hamas ended their war a long time agoz one of the few here who calls for that.

    If you have a problem take it up with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    They are only able to wage their wars because of equipment and knowledge supplied to them by others. Without that support,

    Half right, maybe, but they have that equipment and knowledge.. so what's your point?

    That you find that positive and your posts are "bigging up" the IDF is depraved and disgusting. You should go hang your head in shame.

    I am not commenting on the morality of the IDF, merely stating as a fact that they are the most powerful military in the region so no other nation state will want to intervene. The IDF have taught them many lessons on that front over the past few decades. These nation states have mostly learned the hard way, hence why there will not be a pan Arab coalition riding in to save the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Ive never been to Israel. One day I would like to go one day though. Not sure what my personal holiday destinations have to do with the topic at hand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I have not made those comments. If you have an issue with them, by all means reply back. I can separate the average Gazan from Hamas. I have constantly stated that they have been poorly led.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,548 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You do understand that tanks, rifles, aircraft need ammunition, right? They need maintenance and repair. So the IDF might have the kit now, but as some countries have done, the spare parts and maintenance kits for keeping the Israeli war machine running will slow down. As will the ammunition.

    And then there's the cost to Israel - economy is tanking. They'll have a choice soon enough between some semblance of a life they were used to or continuing to spend money on weapons (and sending their sons and daughters to die or commit suicide).


    "have taught them many lessons"

    Seems you just love them - keep on bigging them up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    I couldn't be bothered answering you given you are clearly trolling and/or just regurgitating Israeli propaganda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Yet, that doesn't answer the question. What rule of law will get Israel back its hostages? Are Hamas playing by the same rules that Israel is meant to abide by? This is asymmetric warfare after all, the rule of law doesn't really apply, unfortunately.

    Hamas made a bet that Israel would be backed into a corner due to these rules, and made a gamble on it that they could extract many concessions from Israel after the capture of so many hostages. Israel was not keen to play that game any more, so up-ended the board, and the gloves came off.

    The results are sadly self-evident for the average Gazan stuck in the strip.

    The hard brutal cold facts of 'might is right' came to be the new 'rule of law'. Israel has more guns and weapons, and could quite easily finish off everyone in the strip. Yet, Hamas still keeps fighting.. for what? Even its Arab neighbours know the game is up and that Hamas will not be running the strip after the war is over. They have yet to accept that they lost.

    If they woke up tomorrow and conceded the facts that they lost the war, released the hostages, this nightmare for the average Gazan would be over. Sure, you could counter and say, sure Israel could just retreat and let bygones be bygones, until Hamas or some other form of it regroup, rearm, and we are back to the same situation in 5-10 years time, and on it goes…

    The one hope I have from this mess is that Gazans and Palestinians as a whole recognise that there is no winner for those who chose violence against their Israeli enemy. They are simply too strong, and will use whatever means necessary to win, more means than almost any other Liberal Democracy.

    As I said before, Internationalism and the rules-based order are dead. It had a good airing over the last 60 or so years, but that world is over. Israel knows this, as does its enemies and the bigger powers. We in Ireland are still clinging on to the fallacy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I specifically called out their leadership in that post. And yes, the Arab world and Palestinians do have an issue with Anti-Semitism. Much of it is taught in schools from an early age. They need to let that stuff go if they want to have any hope for a future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,414 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Here is genocidal cheerleader and Brit claiming that calling out Israeli ethnic cleansing is offensive. What is offensive here is this Goebbells like character polluting the media. They should just refuse to platform such propagandists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    You do understand that tanks, rifles, aircraft need ammunition, right? They need maintenance and repair. So the IDF might have the kit now, but as some countries have done, the spare parts and maintenance kits for keeping the Israeli war machine running will slow down. As will the ammunition.

    Yes, they do get a lot of supplies from the Americans, but are you suggesting that Trump is going to cut off military supplies to Israel? There is not a hope of that happening anytime soon. Trump may well dictate to Bibi to stop fighting and agree to a ceasefire in quick order.

    And then there's the cost to Israel - economy is tanking. They'll have a choice soon enough between some semblance of a life they were used to or continuing to spend money on weapons (and sending their sons and daughters to die or commit suicide).

    Apart from rising debt, the economy looks to be ok overall. Low unemployment, GDP growing steady enough… yea, not exactly tanking..

    Seems you just love them - keep on bigging them up.

    I am quite agnostic on them, like any military tbh. But if I were a General in an Arab state, whose politicians asked me to draw up war plans to invade them, I would be fearful of them, and rightly so. It would be a suicide mission.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭freebritney


    There was a swimming pool in Auswitch you know..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well, the three hostages executed by the IDF are unfortunately never coming back. Nor are the scores of Israeli citizens shredded by IDF attack helicopters. Or the hostages in Gaza bombed by your heroes.

    But yeh, "might is right".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    You post was about trade. Consumers/tourists will shun Israel, then companies, then states.

    No-one wants to be associated with Genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,809 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Its so sickening to watch the news these days. What the Israelis are doing to nearly 2mill people is simply unbelievable.

    Fencing them in, bombing, starving and shooting them. Blowing up any remaining buildings under the guise of attacking Hamas fighters.

    This period of human history won't be remembered well. I feel the sentiment of a lot of nations has finally turned against Israel. If this was happening somewhere else in the world, allied nations would be forming a coalition and going in to stop a genocide. But they just sit idly by and some are even afraid to use harsh words.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    What rule of law will get Israel back its hostages?

    It is a fact that all hostages so far have been released over the negotiating table, via diplomacy. So you somehow advocating the nessecity of the mass murder taking place flies in the face of what happened so far.

    As for your declaration that if Hamas release the hostages, that this war would be over - how do you know?

    You must admit, given the clear warcrimes and ethnic cleansing that has been committed by the IDF, coupled with the genocidal rhetoric from her politicians in highest office, that releasing the hostages could mean the last stumbling block to the IDF completely wiping out the enclave of Gazans will have been removed.

    I agree 100% with hostages being released, but not if it means the deaths of far more people at the hands of a genocidal government. In that case, hostages are the far lesser of two evils.

    Israel need to return to the negotiating table and agree a full end to the war. That is the only way hostages will be released, and the only way to save lives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I'd give Mancer a platform 24/7.

    He's the best example of the Hasbara. Anyone sat on the fence who switched on and listened to him for more than 30 seconds would no longer be on the fence.

    In the early days of listening to the Israeli ambassador to Ireland and the IDF spokespersons, I'm sure most neutral Irish folks immediately made up their mind about Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    What hostages were executed by the IDF?

    Not sure what your point is. I get it, you dont like the IDF but its a moot point at the end of the day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,662 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    As for your declaration that if Hamas release the hostages, that this war would be over - how do you know?

    Nothing is 100%, but if Israel got its hostages back, the Israeli public, and importantly, the reservists, would demand an end to the conflict. The military is already putting pressure on the government to call time.

    wiping out the enclave of Gazans will have been removed.

    I don't see that 20 hostages are the only thing preventing the killing of over 2 million Gazans.

    Israel need to return to the negotiating table and agree a full end to the war.

    … in exchange for all the hostages being released.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,100 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I saw a reader in the Times of Israel warning that Mencer and Eylon Levy risk turning Israel into the worst pariah state on the planet. They are clearly deranged sociopaths promoting genocide - the only people listening to them and agreeing with them are the usual racists, bigots, far right heads etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    If the hostages were released the pressure on Israel to stop would be immense and unavoidable.

    For those of you who want Hamas to survive, it offers the best chance, it forces an end to the war before the objective of stopping Hamas is reached.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Remember - the three lads waving white flags? Stripped to the waist? hands in the air? Shouting in Hebrew?

    Those lads. Two were shot dead immediately. The third ran away but when he returned, he was executed.

    The IDF have a thing about people waving white flags. And sheep. And nuns. And anally raping Palestinian prisoners.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    No - a reality:

    It is estimated that Israel will lose around $400 billion in the next decade and experience a significant economic shock. Ninety percent of this will result from indirect consequences such as reduced investment, labor market disruptions, and hindered productivity growth.

    On August 2024, Fitch Ratings downgraded Israel's credit rating. The Bank of Israel has counted war-related costs from 2023 to 2025 at up to $55.6 billion. Another consequence of the war was that consumer spending dropped by 27%, imports fell by 42%, and exports declined by 18%.

    The 2024 Henley & Partners Report, indicates that around 1,700 millionaires have departed the country since 2023, seeking investment migration opportunities to mitigate risks and explore alternative residency options. The report announced a remarkable 232% increase in investment migration applications from Israeli citizens in 2023.

    Factors driving this trend include a 5% depreciation in the shekel's value against the US dollar, a 10% decline in real estate prices in Tel Aviv, Israel's growing international isolation, and the financial pressure resulting from the war in 2023.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    You are depending on the Israeli public being like us (i.e. a democracy that believes in human rights), but I don't know if the majority of Israeli public really care if Palestinians are all killed.

    Polls suggest there is widespread support for IDF conduct in this conflict, including warcrimes and ethnic cleansing. There is no way you would know if the hostages were released, that the Israeli public would demand an end to the war. There would need to be a firm and legally binding commitment that the war would end, from Israeli leadership, imo, for this to happen. You are dealing with far too many lives to risk on a hit and hope.

    I don't see that 20 hostages are the only thing preventing the killing of over 2 million Gazans

    Most of the domestic pressure Netenyahu has been under has been from those wanting to bring back hostages. NOT the protection of human rights for Gazan civilians. If those hostages were all killed by the IDF, it would take the government down. If they were all released tomorrow, you have no way of knowing this domestic pressure would then switch to protection of Gazans. We have all seen what the IDF have done and are doing, have all heard the rhetoric from the politicians. There is a large chance hostage release would be carte blanche.

    … in exchange for all the hostages being released.

    Absolutely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,100 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Fair play to the Daily Express - I don't like them at all as a newspaper, but they've put Gaza on the front page for the second day running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    You couldn't possibly know that.

    What if the hostages are the only thing preventing Israel from wiping them all out?

    This has nothing to do with Hamas support, that is a cretinous comment tbh, Hamas took the hostages and deserve what they get.

    The Gazan civilians, however, deserve freedom and safety as do Israelis. If you believe a life is a life (as most do), 20 hostages don't trump 2 million Gazans.

    Why don't Israel agree to end the war in return for the hostages?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,199 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Why are planes not dropping food parcels , just lightweight parcels, thousands of them?



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