Manchester United Thread 2024/25 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

xavi simons seems to be going to chelsea, so thats another potential club to be crossed off.

from romano:

Understand Chelsea are advancing in talks with Xavi Simons on personal terms!

Xavi, keen on the move and open to joining Chelsea… direct talks in progress to agree contract details and terms.

Chelsea want to be fast ahead of club to club talks with Leipzig.

Joke of a club. How many wingers do they need?

Looking at the squad there is 7 young players who wont get many mins in the PL, maybe the cups. Injured players are probably going to do recovery over there and bond with the team

Hi dave, not once did I state they should sell for peanuts. In the case of Antony , Betis are still heavily linked but despite sales they are looking to arrange another loan. My point is if that's the best they can do then move on and encourage other suitors. Glad I could clear that up for you

So you think the club aren't looking at other options atm, they are just waiting on Betis in the hope they increase their offer?

I'm confident they are open to and looking for other options. However you can't force a player to move to a club he doesn't want to move to.

If the player says its club A or nothing, you can't make them accept the offer from club b. As shown plenty of times, the power is with the player.... take Rashford and Barcelona as an example.

Being honest Rashford was not 1st choice there so I wouldn't call it player power. He was 3rd on the list behind Williams & Diaz

No, he wasn't there first choice. However we couldn't make him sign for another club while he wanted to wait and hope for Barcelona.

If that's not player power, what is it?

Why would you keep him? His value will go down by not playing this season if he stays and then he's into the last year of his contract so you'll never move him or he moves for peanuts.

At that stage you might as well work a loan that sees us get a decent fee when the transfer becomes permanent in 12 months.

Because loaning him or keeping him isn't much of a difference to us financially.

I'd keep him, and use him.

If you loan him he's into the same last year of his contract next summer anyway, so you sell him for peanuts then too? Just with the added benefit of showing the world you can be utterly played by Real Betis.

Serious question: Whats the point in encouraging other suitors if the player has decided the only club he wants to play for is Betis? Players are not indentured slaves, you can't move them on against their will.

Betis hold all the cards here. They can use their leverage to wait to the last minute and basically offer Utd a deal which either sees Antony stay at Betis on their terms (whether that's a loan or a cheap transfer) or return to Utd to sit the season out where he'll pick up his wages and stink the place out.

When push comes to shove Utd, like any other club, will do what's in their financial best interest and faced with a choice between spending £Xm in wages on a player they don't want Vs getting rid on whatever terms Betis are prepared to offer they'll accept the latter as its commercially the best option.

The idea of letting him rot in the reserves or whatever is for the birds, its an emotionally charged option which completely ignores the financial cost of doing so.

It's pretty much expected that Betis will seek a loan for Antony late in the window and we should absolutely feck them off. Out of the outcasts, Antony is the only one who Amorim might keep because he works hard, albeit he's not the most intelligent of players. I still think he'd do well under Amorim and I'm genuinely not pushed if we can't sell him this window given there are bigger priorities in terms of players we need to move on.

1. I don't think the finances saved on the wages are signficant enough to make the deal worth taking, a second time around from the same club after they have played poor mouth and silly buggers for 2 months.
2. He was being used right up to the point he was loaned out.
3. I disagree. It is continuing to show that we will be bullied by clubs to get whatever deal they want on terms they want. The mbeumo deal another point against our attempt to build a better rep, just as a crap loan to betis would be.

And I am not saying I particularly want us to keep him, but I would consider it and accept that as a possible outcome of Betis not giving us a deal WE are happy with. And if we take Betis off the board cause they won't put an acceptable offer on the table, maybe Antony will accept a move eleswhere - so that we still make money or savings, while telling the likes of Betis that they don't get the leverage in these deals anymore.

All 3 September league games have been moved for TV reasons.

Someone here was planning to go to the Chelsea game, that's still the Saturday but is now a 5:30pm.

Sept times now