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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    She published a "documentary" implying an FF politician murdered a child in 2016.

    She expressed antivax views repeatedly on podcasts in 2016-18, all prior to seeking Presidential nominations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You're ignoring the conspiracy theory issue there, and making up quotes - I didn't say "raving lunatic" in any post you're quoting, if at all (checked recent pages).

    All this just posts after you accused someone else of making up quotes!

    Pointing that there may be someone else I consider unsuitable to hold a specific office doesn't help your argument, and indeed falls in to one of the most basic elements of bad debating - strawmanning. Deal with the issue at question, not a distraction you thrown in the way.

    Based on your insistence that Connolly will have done scrutiny, you are now admitting that you believe she nominated O'Doherty as she had no issues with her lunatic conspiracy theories and insane antivax position, are you? Because there's no third way.

    She was either OK with Gemma being a lunatic, or wasn't aware. Both make her unsuitable for the office of the President.

    The reality is she may end up being the least unsuitable on a ballot paper of unsuitables yet, though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,793 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Two senior officers made the allegations according to the IMDB summary. Many documentaries are made on the basis of allegations. I don't think that is the 'gotcha' you think it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,101 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It's not just one thing, it is a pattern across the board of jumping on every conspiracy angle going.
    As for Connolly, she didn't hold up her tour guides in Syria to scrutiny did she. Either she is clueless or not sure which is worse, that she knew the kind of person she was being a useful idiot for. So your claim doesn't stand up.

    Please provide a source that a Minister of State had the same concerns. Not just that they raised concerns, but the same concerns.

    If you are referring to Finian McGrath, compare and contrast that while he did raise concerns, as a Minister of State, he also backed the Government stance and that medical advice should be followed which recommends the vaccine.

    Compare and contrast:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0903/901942-hpv-vaccine/

    “I’ll always reserve the right to raise people’s concerns,” he said. However, he insisted there was “no equivocation” in his present attitude to the HPV vaccine and he was “totally supportive” of the campaign.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/i-cocked-up-finian-mcgrath-on-his-handling-of-hpv-vaccine-1.3210404

    It was already apparent even as she was trying to get nominated that O'Doherty was a conspiracy theorist:

    On Monday last week (September 10), this reporter approached O’Doherty outside the chamber of Kilkenny County Council as she prepared to make her pitch for the Council’s Áras nomination. When asked if she would like to expand on the doubts she previously raised about the HPV vaccine, she responded: “I am not here to talk about vaccinations. You can ask me about corruption.” However, in her presentation to councillors inside the chamber moments later, O’Doherty strayed off her anti-corruption script, speaking of her dismay that the drinking water supply in Ireland was still “medicated” years after she reported on the links between fluoridation and cancer. She said that, if elected, she would “educate citizens” on the perils of fluoridation.

    https://www.imt.ie/news/presidential-candidate-educate-citizens-perils-irish-water-fluoridation-18-09-2018/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    She has continued to personally support those allegations to this day.

    It's also realistically just one part of many. By the time of the nominations she was pushing an overall idea of there being elite conspiracies all over the place, because she was already a lunatic conspiracy theorist.

    The entire "anti-corruption" thing comes from a broken mind, just like "drain the swamp"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,168 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    On Matt Cooper and Ivan Yates latest podcast episode he claims that Catherine Connolly booked a STRETCH LIMO to go from Galway to the All Ireland final the year she was mayor of Galway, she brought her cronies, and CHARGED it to the taxpayer !!!

    Apparently she had no particular interest in GAA but the chance of “royally lording it” in a LIMO with the mayor chain bling bling was too much for her to resist.

    Boys oh Boys…If that story is true she is finished before she starts.

    Another do as I say not as I do merchant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,793 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I am dealing with it.

    Your inventions about what Catherine Connolly's frame of mind was.
    You cannot make the claims you are making without that invention.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Once again, you make up bits of a post so you can give the answer you want to give.

    I've invented nothing - there's only two options, and you don't want either of them so you just veer off-course to try claim something else.

    Answer the question or stop dodging. Although based on a decade of SF shilling, I should know that you're just going to keep dodging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    She was lauded in the Guardian for that. She was threatened with the courts by the politician and family but nothing has come of that. It is a lie to state that she said a FF politician murdered a child. What was claimed is that a FF politician interfered in the investigation. Entirely different.

    I don't know where the truth lies regarding Mary Boyle but she certainly got it right in terms of the death of Fr. Niall Molloy, the speeding points cancellation by Garda Commissioner Callinan and the long-term sexual abuse at Terenure College that the Gardai did not act upon. The last reportage taking place in late 2017 and early 2018 when she was still perceived as an impressive investigative reporter. Applying retrospective judgement to contemporaneous assessments of GO'D doesn't work. At the time 11 TDs and a council were willing to allow her to run. The campaign and her idiocy over Guerin derailed that and it snowballed from there. But it was very different in August 2018.

    Once more give me a pre-2018 source of wild claims. You said there are loads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,793 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She had the same concerns in 2018 as McGrath and many many people had. McGrath also claimed he was giving voice to the people.
    This is a quote from O'Doherty in 2018

    “What I have learnt in the last few days is that people are absolutely terrified that something about that vaccine is not right and it is not able to withstand scrutiny,” Ms O’Doherty said in the interview.

    Ms O’Doherty said given the “wild reaction” to questions being raised over the vaccine, there was “something seriously wrong”.

    “I will say, finally, that when you ask questions about a drug that is being given to all of our children and you get such a wild reaction, I would say there’s something seriously wrong, that vaccine, if it is as safe and effective as it is claimed to be, why is it unable to withstand scrutiny, why?”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    She pushed conspiracy theory scare stories about the HPV vaccine and water flouridation pre 2018. There were multiple signs that she was off the rails, albeit little did we know just how much further she'd get.

    Additionally, she was a features and travel journalist, not an investigative reporter - that is an invention of her own doing. You cannot be considered an impressive investigative reporter when you are not even an investigative reporter to begin with.

    She did win an award for some soft social issues content; but her main awards for a travel piece and for, bafflingly, a piece on how the HPV vaccine was good - before she went nuts. She spins this as being an award-winning investigative journalist when she was nothing of the sort - she was a features writer who went nuts and managed to land on one actual story, the Callinan points stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,793 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    there's only two options,

    There's an invention right there.

    One that consolidates the 'I'm only going to accept the answer I want' theory from earlier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,168 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    the bould Mickey Flatley - who he sez u? He of Riverdance and Lord of the Dance fame …or infamy depending on your views.

    He has “thrown his hat in the ring” - he says somebody has to represent the people and begob and begorrah, he is the man to do it.

    I expect him to haul arse around the 26 counties looking for county councillor votes - his efforts in vain - he may need to crack a few heads with his trusty shillelagh before this is finished …



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Can you come up with a rational third reason, then?

    Gemma not being nuts yet isn't valid, because there is more than enough evidence that she was; from before she went even more nuts during the campaign for nominations.

    You are the one reshaping posts and making up quotes so you can use your pre-canned answer; not me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,101 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Nope, she states there is something seriously wrong. That goes far beyond McGrath raising concerns, and we can see in the reaction the difference. McGrath backed away from going down the conspiracy theory rat hole and publicly supported the vaccination campaign and the recommendations of medical professionals … O'Doherty jumped right in, and not just on this issue.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,793 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Can you come up with a rational third reason, then?

    I don't need to. I accept her answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You accept her answer, which doesn't explain why she did it; for a question asking why she did it?

    You realise that that isn't actually an answer, surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,793 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    McGrath:

    In late August 2016 Mr McGrath sent documentation from the Regret group to Mr Harris. The literature claimed hundreds of Irish girls had developed chronic ill health due to the vaccine, that included “regular seizures, daily headaches, joint pain, loss of feeling in limbs, muscle weakness”. The internal correspondence was obtained under the Freedom of Information (FoI) Act.

    Along with the literature Mr McGrath requested “a response to the concerns about the HPV vaccine Gardasil”, and told his Cabinet colleague Mr Harris the number of girls adversely affected by the vaccine in the Regret group “seems to be rising”.

    O'Doherty. expressed the concerns of people too.

    Does Catherine Connolly now believe there are no concerns like McGrath and all those concerned at the time, now do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Nonsense. She was given Campaigning Journalist of the year at the National Media Awards in 2000 and continued with good work for close to two decades after that. There are the aforementioned Fr. Molloy, Penalty Points Cancellations and Terenure College investigations. Amongst others.

    Kanye West has long gone off the rails but it doesn't mean he didn't produce impressive material in the early 2000s. Same with GO'D where she remained a figure of respect in mid-2018. There's a cut-off point and by Summer 2018 she hadn't reached it. After the scrutiny of the election campaign she clearly had with much worse to come.

    And one again where are the sources for the multiple-conspiracy stories pre-2018? You repeat the same points but give no accredited sources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,101 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    McGrath raised concerns as referred to him.

    O'Doherty went beyond that as the previous quote of hers demonstates which is why you ignored it.

    Likewise ODoherty in front of a County Council trying to get nominated in 2018 started rambling about flouride and society being medicated. No wonder she didnt get the nomination.

    So there were clear signs in 2018, across multiple topics, that O'Doherty was entertaining / latching onto every conspiracy going.

    So the options are - Connolly was unaware of this OR Connolly was aware but did not think such conduct disqualifying to be President.

    The current 'answer' from Connolly does not address that as it so vague ie what does Connolly mean by 'her role'.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,709 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The article was published in September, but the interview was weeks earlier in August.

    At best, CC was either duped or didn't do due diligence. Hardly taking the Presidency seriously?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 43,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,793 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So there were clear signs in 2018,

    You keep saying this despite proof that many people had concerns about vaccines in 2018 including Connolly, and if you knew other TD's not just McGrath.

    We know O'Doherty's obsessions deepened but it was not evident in 2018. The Examiner doesn't hint at ;lunacy' in the article published earlier but does take some of her claims at the time to task as is anyone's right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Where are the accredited sources for her belief in multiple conspiracy theories pre-September 2018?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,709 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    She is now claiming that she was right to nominate a raving conspiracy theory lunatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    You're surely aware that pre-publication the contents of the interview were not public knowledge? That cannot have escaped you.

    Or have you got this as wrong as you did the nomination process for Michale D Higgins in 2018?

    And your mistaken belief that Catherine Connolly was in the Labour Party in 2018, A full 11 years after she departed.

    To be taken seriously you have to read and research before posting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,793 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This is dis-ingenuous out on a limb debating tbh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,028 ✭✭✭✭Seathrun66


    Nope. She stated that her decision was right at the time. GO'D was still a respected campaigning journalist at the time.

    You're consistently failing on facts and interpretation here. You're wasting your own and everyone else's time here by dragging the debate down with daftness. I'll not engage with you further.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,789 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Go read the stories she got that award for - there weren't investigative journalism, because she was never an investigative journalist. That was a creation of her own invention. Everything post penalty points is post firing from INM and extensively conspiracy theory tinged in what she "reported".

    One of those award stories is actually one of her conspiracy threads - flouride. She wrote more on it in the Indo afterwards. The award itself is easily discredited for awarding a conspiracy theory story.

    You dismissed her batshit 'documentary' so I'm not sure why its worth giving you more sources. Many of her claims were on social media - accounts long deleted - or on videos, particularly on Broadsheet, who I won't link to as it became a far right conspiracy theory site (on a nearly identical trajectory to Gemma - already a bit off-kilter by 2017/18 and completely nuts by 2020) and still has ads they get money from.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,793 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How is the documentary 'batshit'?
    Nobody knows who killed Mary Boyle or why.
    Same with Du Plantier.

    There are many theories/allegations about both cases.



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