Thinking of moving to EV

EV drivers can charge while out doing other jobs too. It's not like they have to wait to the last minute.

And sometimes petrol drivers need to go off route to get petrol, especially common on motorways if you forgot to fill up at a plaza. There was a long time when petrol stations weren't allowed on motorways. If you missed your turn off to get fuel you could be in trouble.

Yeah some diesel cars can do over 1000km but some cars can only do 2-300. EVs do an average of about 300-400 but can also do well over 600.

My point isn't that there aren't things to consider when moving across to an EV. There absolutely is. My point is no one makes the same song and dance about the concessions you need to make in an ICE car that they do for EVs.

Yeah if you choose not to install a home charger then it will be more difficult. But not impossible.

It's like having four six foot 2, 20stone sons and buying a fiat 500 and saying cars are too small.

You need to buy to suit your needs. I'd be a big fan of EVs but a neighbour that drives to Donegal every weekend was asking and I told them to stick with the diesel.

I'm not against ice. I just don't think the alleged "full picture issues" with EVs are fairly represented.

I always laugh when I see people sniggering at those diesel power EV chargers. Laughing that it needs diesel to pump the electricity. And then they will drive to the electricity power petrol pump 😦

We've long moved on from the OP's use case and question. I suggested a Hyundai Inster for him early in the thread. The thread then went off topic with BS posted about the horrors of stopping for fuel in an ICE which Mad_Lad responded to and I backed up.

Ah but where's the fun in boards if you can't have lively well mannered debates about inconsequential topics. It's just a bit of fun.

I was driving a diesel Kodiaq pretty extensively this weekend, did about 100kms on rural roads in it. First time doing any long driving in an ICE apart from big vans in 3 years.

Its a 60 odd thousand car, automatic, 2.0 diesel and it completely reaffirmed my decision to go electric, I didnt like it at all. Loud, felt very unrefined, autobox looking for the right gear coming out of corners felt so delayed and unnecessary.

Was a nice car to be in, comfortable and well specced but im done with those engines, it felt such a relic from the past.

You believe EV threads descend to "this" because you may not like the fact that EV are far from perfect and don't suit everyone and when people say this you don't like it, it's a forum for discussion , other than that the best solution is to create a separate thread called Pro EV Fan Club Only but when people com in asking questions it's much fairer to give them the positives and the negatives so they can make an informed decision, that's actually what a sensible EV thread actually is or should be.

There is no one prevented here from setting up threads called EV fans Only. or Only EV Fans lol.

i again refer you to the question asked and the use case presented at the start of the thread not your cumulative musings from the past decade that are largely irrelevant to the question asked.

this is the laughable thing isn’t it, if there was someone in here talking about driving dynamics who actually had decent taste in cars then you could see his point but he has the worst choice in cars I’ve ever read and I include his choice in EVs and motorbikes in that! Why he has any interest in a car forum is baffling as every vehicle mentioned is boring.

Some people enjoy an engaging driving experience, not just being silently ferried from A to B. That might not be your thing and that’s fine, but dismissing someone else’s preferences with cheap shots just shows how narrow your view really is.

Look I get that you’re trying to strike a balanced tone at the end there and I actually don’t disagree with some of your advice especially around home charging and minimum viable range. But let’s not pretend the earlier tone of your message wasn’t condescending. The difference is I didn’t sugarcoat my position and pretend to be neutral while taking shots. I’ve been clear from the outset I owned an EV I gave it a fair shake and I moved on when the compromises stopped making sense for my use case.

You talk about trolls but come on half of the replies I get are dripping in sarcasm or accusations of being bitter dishonest stuck in the past or unable to adapt. If we’re going to talk tone let’s at least be honest about how one-sided the "debate" often is on these threads.

I shared my experience because it’s relevant to others who may be on the fence and whose circumstances don't align with the ideal EV use case. It’s not trolling to say that charging infrastructure still has issues or that real-world range doesn't always match the brochure. That’s just reality.

We all know EVs can work brilliantly in the right situation. But not everyone lives in that situation. And if someone points that out maybe instead of circling the wagons every time it would be more productive to admit the tech still has limitations just like ICE does.

It’s honestly hilarious. You two are swinging punches over my supposed lack of "taste" in cars while hiding behind your own deeply average machines, as if you’re the gatekeepers of automotive passion. Spoiler: you’re not.

Mocking a manual 3-cylinder like it’s some cardinal sin just shows how out of touch you are. You wouldn't know a proper driving experience if it bit you in your soft-touch dash. Some of us actually enjoy driving not just sitting in silence pretending a whisper-quiet commute makes us enlightened beings.

Your idea of "taste" is probably whatever had the highest rating in some YouTube review you watched with the lights off and your socks on. You think a badge makes a car interesting? That’s rich. Your whole argument boils down to "I drive something different, so I must be better."… Weak.

And for all the jabs about my "boring" vehicle choices, I’d take any of them over your smug condescension and herd-mentality nonsense. It’s not about clout or clicks I bought what I liked, drove it, formed an opinion, and moved on. That seems to offend your entire sense of identity.

If you need your car to define your ego, that’s your problem. Just don’t expect me to sit quietly while you slap on a moral superiority complex like a fresh coat of wax and pretend you're doing God’s work by plugging in at night.

you love to make assumptions don’t you, you know zilch about my driving experience and seem to think I am saying my electric car is a great driving experience, I don’t think that by the way and never said it’s different, it’s just family transport like your Kia, it’s easily one of the most boring cars I’ve had but anyway you really need to stop harping on about Kia’s, id3, outlanders etc… all of them are monumentally boring.

ah perfect instead of whatever inane drivel was posted above i just see a nice empty blur,

much better and way more sensible!

I actually think my Tavascan and the Born before it are great to drive! And same with R5 that im still getting to grips with.

My history tends to be well used 3 and 5 series petrols e46, e39, e60 some with good engines, some not so good and an alfa 156 and my only ever diesel A6 then on to a 530e before the EVs and I think EV beats them all for driving fun and responsiveness.

Granted I've never really had a hot hatch or a sports car but EV is my favourite place to be behind the wheel for day to day stuff. In a 150bhp kodiaq at weekend granted not a fun car either but id be in an enyaq before one by a long way.

The difference is I didn’t sugarcoat my position and pretend to be neutral while taking shots. I’ve been clear from the outset I owned an EV I gave it a fair shake and I moved on when the compromises stopped making sense for my use case.

I always put my hands up when someone responds to a comment I made and it's clear that I posted in a way which could be taken in a way I hadn't intended. This is not one of those times. I didn't try to sugar-coat anything. I posted the quoted remarks in a way that couldn't possibly be taken seriously by a reasonable person and were obviously far from my actual position on ICE, or those who drive them.

You talk about trolls but come on half of the replies I get are dripping in sarcasm or accusations of being bitter dishonest stuck in the past or unable to adapt. If we’re going to talk tone let’s at least be honest about how one-sided the "debate" often is on these threads.

I think some of the comments made cross the line from reasonable to childish and sometimes unnecessarily personal. I do however understand why some would post in that manner. I don't need to point to the obvious.

I shared my experience because it’s relevant to others who may be on the fence and whose circumstances don't align with the ideal EV use case. It’s not trolling to say that charging infrastructure still has issues or that real-world range doesn't always match the brochure. That’s just reality.

Your experience, while relevant is all consuming and is overwhelmingly negative and is in large part at odds with your reported experiences of the time from what I can remember. I can't claim to have read or remembered all of your posts, but they were typically positive and encouraging for anyone considering EV, myself included.

You accuse me of sugar-coating (which I deny flatly) and claim that you are not anti-EV while in the same posts are fully critical of EV ownership. You are correct that it's not trolling to say the charging infrastructure has issues or that real world range doesn't match the brochure, but nobody says otherwise that I have seen.

I see most who have shared their experiences have mentioned issues with charging if they have had to use the public, or even their home charger at times. The difference is that somebody reading what you say about it would think every other charge point is either not working, or have several hour wait times and if you do get a charge, it will take an age. This is not a reality I know, with a couple of exceptions I already mentioned when locals and taxi drivers took the p1ss for free electricity. Others needing a quick charge to get home were left queueing. I recall you saying you regularly experienced these issues.

We all know EVs can work brilliantly in the right situation. But not everyone lives in that situation. And if someone points that out maybe instead of circling the wagons every time it would be more productive to admit the tech still has limitations just like ICE does.

I'm not convinced we all know this. In fact, i'm sure we don't all know, Certainly not new visitors to the forum who are already filled with pub stool talk about batteries lasting 2 years and setting multi-storey carparks on fire when they inevitably explode. When people carry those doubts and stories, they are drawn to negative comments, founded, or not….factual, exaggerated, or pure fiction.

When you have a chap refusing to install a charger at home for his Wife's EV, sharing thanks with you, that has to send you some sort of message, no? The excuses just kept stacking to the point that I didn't believe his story.

I don't mean to be rude, or in any way condescending here. That's not my intention. But when you suggest that EVs are boring and don't give you the feedback a driver craves while you happen to drive a 3 cylinder runabout, it erases any credibility, or authenticity in what you are saying. I'm not criticising your mode of transport by the way, but you sound like you are discussing your daily driver as if it's a BMW M5 F90.

Let's face facts. Most drivers are driving to commute to work and the grocery store. It's A-B and nothing more than a tool. People want safety, comfort and for running costs to be as low as possible. They don't need to feel every contour and bend on the road, like they're tracking at Mondello. They just want to get from A-B. For some, that's EV and others, ICE will do the job.

You do need to remember that you are in the very EV forum you requested and that most people here are pro-EV. It doesn't mean we won't be honest with people about any limitations of EVs, which are almost exclusively range related. It does mean that any comments made which are, or appear to be false, trolling, or spiteful will be called out. I'm sure you can see how some of your comments at least appear to be in that territory.