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Two convicted of felling Sycamore Gap tree

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,330 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It's a tree at the end of the day. Four years is mad.

    If they'd cut down any other tree chances are nobody would have noticed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,334 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Which is exactly why they didn't cut down any other tree.

    They took something people loved and destroyed it because it was something they didn't care about and they thought it'd be funny to upset people. Classic scrote behavior, no sympathy for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,330 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Well yeah,but do you get a tougher sentence for killing say a well known personality than an ordinary Joe.

    I had the delusion that equal crimes had equal sentences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,544 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    I think 4 years is too much for this crime and the rape sentences were too lenient.
    They cut down a tree! Come on 4 years is excessive.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    A farmer bulldozing a couple of acres of ancient woodland might get a €1000 fine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Those statues were usually put up because of donations or public works , there was the same thing with college buildings. The statue was a piece of history and I don’t agree with a mob getting to decide themselves to tear it down. The tree was iconic but a four year sentence seems excessive. Both are property damage and should be treated equally.

    That said there is a better argument for people burning down refugee centres based on your stand, as they lower property prices and increase the risk of terror arracks and crime in your area. Why can’t that mob get to decide that when the government bypasses planning and local objections for something that has a direct impact on their lives?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,765 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    I would not like to be either these 2 fellas when the Ents from LOTR trilogy catch up with them!!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 53,390 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    would people be up in arms about a statue of gary glitter or fred west being vandalised?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They're not history, they're venerations of slave owners and slave traders. They have no value whatsoever. The Sycamore Gap tree was iconic and is a piece of British heritage which has been destroyed.

    I was going to say that it smells a bit of racism that you're upset about a statue of a vile slave trader that was taken down half a decade ago but you went on to give full throated support for racist violence against vulnerable non-white people.

    Disgusting.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭Sigma101


    A prison sentence is justifiable but a 4-year sentence is an injustice.

    Separately, it's ironic that people get so upset about the destruction of a non-native tree of no environmental significance in an unnatural, man-made landscape, while ignoring the complete absence of trees in the whole area due to centuries of environmentally destructive farming practices. It's that environmental damage that made the Sycamore Gap so "iconic" in the first place.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    I don’t particularly care about that figure as he was British. Why didn’t those protesters tear down the local Mosque after the grooming gangs report? Do they not equally care about teen girls in their country being targeted and raped by foreign settlers over the last decade? Something that happened in their lifetime? Disgusting indeed.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Impressive that you're going so out of your way to derail the thread with a personal agenda...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    You’re just showing your double standards, this is fine when one group does it but different when another does it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You're literally calling for racist violence. That's literally what you said and all because you're upset about the removal half a decade ago of a statue of an evil human being.

    What has your racism to do with the destruction of this tree?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭michael-henry-mcivor


    Who Wood have let them walk-



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    My point is property damage is property damage. These were both cases of property damage treated differently just like the just stop oil protesters, damaging vehicles and petrol pumps. Something that directly impacts you could be argued as more understandable rather than something from hundreds of years ago or a nebulous environmental protest that targets random cars or businesses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I hate that that tree was cut down. And those that did it are the definition of anti social.

    But 4 years? There are countless cases of child abusers and rapists getting less. I'm sure there are technical reasons as to why such a sentence but it doesn't come across as a just sentence relatively speaking.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Where have rapists got less than 4 years? If this is indeed the case, surely the sentence should be increased, no?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,106 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I think they'd rather prison time. Why do you think they shouldn't do time?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    Haven't really followed the case but what was their reason for cutting it down? Just because they could was it or was there an actual reason?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,330 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,924 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Yer man who did the cutting (Carruthers) has said he didn't know why he did it. He'd had a "bad day", drunk a load of whiskey and his pal was happy to facilitate him by driving him there and videoing the whole thing. Idiots. They have also been charged with two counts of criminal damage each as Hadrian's Wall was also damaged by the falling tree so that is also included in the sentencing.

    Carruthers's barrister Andrew Gurney revealed his client's explanation as he said people always want to know why he carried out "this mindless act".

    "Unfortunately, it's nothing more than drunken stupidity," he said. "He felled that tree and it is something he will regret for the rest of his life. There's no better explanation than that."

    The court heard Carruthers claimed he had drunk a bottle of whisky after a tough day and "everything was a blur".

    Quote from here: https://news.sky.com/story/sycamore-gap-tree-stump-showing-signs-of-life-as-men-face-sentencing-for-felling-landmark-13396838



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,826 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    at least the time they do spend in jail is time that they wont be doing stupid mindless sh1t and destroying everything around them ,

    these really are the kind of people who didnt exist for long before we became a welfare world

    nothing put parasites



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,451 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    You do know the American Union fought against the Confederates to end slavery?

    You seem to floss over the fact the European couldnt enter the inland of West Africa. Who do you think rounded up all the African slaves for the Europeans? Have you ever heard the anthem of the US Marine Corps "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli…." with reference to Barbary Pirates. What do you think that means?. You never comment Arab raiding for slaves off east Africa and gelding the men. You also never on low wage workers in Construction in the Middle East. You pick the low fruit but you ignore the current day examples.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,646 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What has this drivel to do with a tree in England?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,119 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    This wasn't someone cutting down a tree in their local forest, this wasn't a farmer knocking down a tree up the road, this wasn't some vandals knocking a tree in someone's garden.

    These were two people cutting down one of the most famous trees in the UK, a cultural and treasured icon, a place of high natural beauty, and a revered and historical spot.

    Someone damaging some random rocks somewhere is very different from someone damaging "some rocks" at Stonehenge. It takes an intense type of stupidity not to understand the vast difference and cultural significance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,898 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Because sentencing should be consistent and proportional.

    And there should be consistency in the crimes that get prosecuted.

    You could argue that sexual assault should be more. But as it is right now the guidelines state a certain amount. That does mean that lesser crimes should get less time and greater crimes should get more time.

    This was vandalism and environmental damage. I would feel that it should have a lower sentence than sexual assault.

    These guys cut down a tree. Yes, it's a beloved tree. I'm not going to act like it's comparable to any other tree, but it's still a singular tree. As others have pointed out, you can do mass pollution and not get the same sentence. Currently British lakes, rivers and beaches are flooded with sewage and there's no jail time.

    It feels like they're reacting harshly because of the public reaction to this.

    Personally I would have thought a short prison sentence and 1000 hours of community service would have been appropriate. They damaged the environment. Make them spend time repairing the environment. Get them planting trees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,898 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    The statue is in a museum. Sounds like a good place for history.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭Potatoeman




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