Giant Bonfires up North 🔥 …. What’s the deal ?

The real never killed one cop and no longer exist- i don't know how that is more committed in your view- the Real were cop lovers whom the Catholic people in the six counties never supported and no one ever voted for the 32 county sovereignty-

How come Sinn Féin members were executed by the brits / Loyalists and no dissident was ever executed by the brits / Loyalists-?-

I dont know they no longer exist just because a few of them (Michael McKevitt) have died. Well both the Real IRA and 32 CSC did Omagh and had other plans until they were infiltrated (the infiltrator was told to take notes at council meeting).

Intelligence was much better when the 32 CSC and Real IRA were operational. They believed they had US Naval encryption software which was given to them by the mole from the FBI. The Real IRAs go to guy was the informer. They had their mobile phones tapped. They weren't even using book encryption codes. They were properly outfitted small group with high technical skills but they were under the illusion that they were impenetrable. There is a high chance they would have destablised the process, if the FBI/MI5 didnt have their shopping lists, meeting notes and knew exactly where they were using safe house.

It was much harder to keep tabs on people back then without browser history, mobile phones, backdoor software. Smart guys back then, passed notes, possibly double checked their work, there were higher thresholds of trust. The Loyalist couldnt shoot anyone at Real IRA/32 CSC time because they were on ceasefire, that meant they were all bound to the peace (police looked the other way for a little racketeering and drug dealing) or it was back to prison for everyone. British Security forces the same, if they killed anyone it was would have been them who broke the ceasefire. That is why they had to be arrested and tried. So different times different rules of engagement.

Different rules- Lol-

Billy sh1te wright was executed by the INLA in late 1997 when the Real were supposed to be active-

A number of Catholics were shot dead after that and the Provos had to execute a leading loyalist to stop them in 1998- Sinn Féin were put out of the talks for a few weeks but every one knew the Provos had to take the loyalist commander out-

The Real were no where to be seen-

Different times-?- Lol-

You think it was the INLA that took Billy Wright out? So Billy was just being Billy in one of the most controlled prisons in Europe and three INLA members were accidentally let into the same yard. There are loads of stories like that. Whenever there is a conflict and it is time to end it, there will always be a few on the fringes that will not lay down their arms and the game is still on going. Billy was one of those special people, other were men like John Phoenix from special branch …… accidents happen.

Also I have no idea who was in the Maze at that time or what sort of a deal was done behind the scenes ("The enemy of my enemy is my friend"). I would not like to speculate who approved the conditions that allowed the three INLA guys to kill Billy Wright.

I am not exactly not sure what you are refering to without name but lets go with it.

the Real IRA were only formed the year before. I am not sure what they consisted of or who exactly was leading. Garda reports were no more of 100 men with 10 being experienced bomb technicians (I do not fully trust Gardai to be honest either and bulk out report for more assets and man hours is not beyond me). That sounds to me like a fairly capable group but personalities and agendas may clash due to suspicions, previous histories and trust issues. I remember it was hard enough in first year science to get 4 students into a room at the same time to set out a project and complete it. So how hard to you think it would be to start an organisation, find suitable people, weed out Walter Mittys, procure materials and tools of the trade, check backgrounds and not have some hopheads arguing should Amhran Na bhFiann be played at the start or the end of the meeting.

There are also designated arms of an organisation like procurement and intelligence gathering. It makes first year science look like a dream. I have no idea where they got funding from, I vaguely remember dissidents were trying to acquire surplus stocks from the Balkans region or Slovakia maybe but MI6 had it all sewn up.

Then you have lads who have addictions like gambling, peccadilloes, honey traps, family secrets, ideological issues and personal grievances. They are all open to be informers, (that is in any organisation). Looks like a lot of work to iron out all the kinks in line of command in just one year, let alone maintaining an organisation.

Yep, who wants be associated with people like these. Just leave them to wallow in their own bitterness.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sports-camp-cancelled-orange-lodge-gaa-6764268-Jul2025/

A CHILDREN’S SPORTS summer camp scheduled to take place in Co Down has been cancelled after the local Orange lodge raised “significant concerns” over the inclusion of children from a GAA club.The camp was to be run by the North Down Cricket Club. The camp was to be broadly focused on cricket, the club said, including children from ten local sports and community clubs. Among them was a small group of children from a local GAA club, the club said in a statement.

Goldsprings of Comber Loyal Orange Lodge stated that residents in the Comber area were concerned about the “proposed or perceived move of the GAA into the local community”.It said that it supported the promotion of sport and youth engagement, but that local residents had reservations about the GAA’s “cultural and historical affiliations”, saying that the organisation has in the past “celebrated or commemorated individuals associated with paramilitary activity”.

It added that until the GAA takes “meaningful steps” to ensure that it is inclusive and sensitive to the identity of the “Protestant, Unionist, and Loyalist community”, it would be viewed with opposition.

Martin has already got bail- so it's a good sign for him-

The lines will be redrawn on the slowly and gently as we speak. That hate you talk about is very real and propagated from generation to generation, through education, culture, activism and politics. The London wish to hand over the North of Ireland to the Republic since Mountbattens time. The question is how to do it? The Unionist population electorate is slow turning in favour of the Nationalist. The Loyalist cause is much weaker because of population educational migration is much harder on the Unionists than the Nationalists.

NATO do not want to give up the Northern Approaches for submarines, so there will be a NATO deal done for Ireland. With the conflict in the Ukraine, half the population are in favour but very few are in favour of going to get their boots muddied in the Ukraine. No judgement, after seeing Stalingrad I wouldnt be in favour of going there either.

The Northern population will believe it is in their best interest as the UK is persecuting them with cost of living crisis that they will happily look at a new agenda with the Republic for the United Ireland (New flag, political capital in Belfast and business in Dublin, region 2 status to be retained for the 6 counties and border counties to be funded by Europe, new anthem). Beware of dealing with the Irish government. The devil will be in the finer details, what to do with a top heavy civil service, how to integrate the NHS into the HSE, water rates, taxations, accepting of the legacy of the GFC. I certainly wouldnt rush into that agreement blind for a new pop song, a flag, a bag of crisps and a bottle of fizzy orange.

I do predict that with the 20% brain drain of Irish graduates and another major factor that there will be no problem pushing this through. Plus the planned taxation of voting rights of the Irish passport will make this smooth over very easily for moving the border. Also all smuggling operations will be null and void as diesel and alcohol will be a universal price.

Provisional IRA, Official IRA, Stickies, Pinnies, INLA, Continuity IRA, 32CSC, Real IRA, IRA sugar free, IRA 1 calorie, IRA Zero, Diet IRA, Slim fast IRA, low cal IRA……….. its really too hard to keep track of them all. 20 years ago the Real IRA could have consisted of two alcoholic taxi drivers and Desmond from the job center and that would have made it official. Some informer could have told a spook and they opened a file, lied there was loads more to get money for bribes and siphoned off the money for his bank account in St. Kitts and Nevis. Who is to know? I never heard of them until the late 1990's.

St Patrick's Day is actually Northern Ireland's national holiday too.

You are entitled to your opinion about a unified Ireland but I hope you never refer to yourself as an Irish Nationalist because believing in a 26 county Ireland was never what Irish Nationalism was about. If someone supports the existence of the Northern Ireland state they are technically a unionist.

Actually the origins of the northern conflict also involve the north of ROI. The O'Donnell's of Donegal were a part of the Nine Years War rebellion which eventually led to the plantations. There was even a battle fought in Clontibret Monaghan not to mention the Battle of Kinsale in Cork. The point I am making is that the northern problem didn't just involve the 6 counties.

There is an assumption on your part that I want to see this resolved or even want to be part of this resolution. The same is happening today with our graduates and high skill professions, they are being pushed out and we are getting …….. well what we are getting in. You think I did not learn that in 4th class and about the Wild Geese and how the linage still exist in Spain?

Fine Gael have a supporter of anti-Irish terrorists amongst their inner circle, they previous had a justice and foreign affairs minister who was raised a by Nazi sympathiser and regularly retweets and is followed in Twitter by the UVF, white supremacists, wasp supremacists - and we wonder why this country is so badly run.

Funny how, the gay pride groups, Atheist Ireland, the anti-Crib people, the Soc dems, Labour, students unions never seem to have a problem with the orange order despite their beliefs and power/influence.

But if Donald Trump picks his nose, they plan a march.

I would have thought it was universally (but secretly) believed that the Brighton Hotel bombing and Canary Wharf bombing :

• one showed that those who gave the orders were as guilty/vulnerable as those that carried them out.
• Another, that the UKs financial power could be dismantled and interfered with.

It made the UK realise, despite their mindset, that they were not dealing with a far away African tribe, and that well, they weren’t going away.

Not just the ability to dish it out as it were.

The 9/11 thing is nonsense, British were always sore of the fundraising* that happened in the US, so tried to compare the two.

Remember, Britain was seen in the US, as we see Russian re : Ukraine.

*Of course, the British receive plenty of military/nuclear aid from the US, but they like to ignore that …

My best friend as a kid was Protestant - but I really don’t understand your point. My post you quoted concerned bigots, not Protestants