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All Ireland Senior Hurling Championship 2025 (Munster And Leinster Championships,Liam McCarthy Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    In the full forward line, Brian Hayes is absolutely nailed on. Probably John McGrath too.

    If the likes of Alan Connolly, Jason Forde or even Horgan has a good final, they probably get one too.

    Plus throw Cian O'Sullivan into the mix… scoring 2-5 in an all-Ireland semi-final

    Difficult for Keoghan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,151 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Either of those announce that they are retiring before the vote and they will probably get one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭Martin567


    There are more players in contention for the full forward line positions than the half forwards. I can see one, maybe two players, being selected in a half forward position to accommodate the best performers over the year.

    I would think Martin Keoghan should be nailed on for consistent excellence over the whole year. Brian Hayes also. Cian O'Sullivan is certainly a very serious contender. Others probably dependent on All-Ireland.

    I remember Richie Power not getting one in 2014 despite scoring four goals across the semi final and finals. Kilkenny certainly wouldn't have won without him that year. He had missed most of the year up to August and that was the basis for not selecting him. No way should Alan Connolly get one on the overall year 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,659 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    You're right, there are less contenders for half forward than full forward. That's why I'd give Mannion a great chance.

    We could potentially see Fitzgibbon named half forward if they want to get another midfielder in (could put both O'Mahony and English in midfield then, if English is considered more deserving than any half forwards).

    A lot comes down to the final. In contention you'd have Jake Morris, Andrew Ormonde, Barrett, Dalton…..all to play for, the final gets a huge weighting. Just look at Tony Kelly last year :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,572 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    It could be the first ever All Star selection where they just forego picking backs such has been the glut of goals. Never seen a year with so few standout certs for an All Star



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I think Bryan O'Mara has been very good for Tipp. A good final would see him in with a shout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    All stars very often select someone out of position to make room for them and mossy has played at half forward as well this year so you could see him selected there. Similar with midfield, could really see a third midfielder selected out of position. It's hard on Lawler if he's not picked: he was a hoty candidate on Sunday morning, and he was let down by the lads either side of him, getting pulled up the field without support, but it had to be done as our CB was like a turnstile. Lawler was plugging holes on two lines all day. Still, you ship four goals in any match you can't have complaints if you're not an all star after it. It hasn't been a good year for full back lines in general!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    This will annoy some, but I'd imagine more weight will be given by the All-Star selectors to performances in the Munster championship vs Leinster championship.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Seems fair to me, although Dublin couldn't be left out under that reasoning. The only non Munster team to beat a Munster side this year? Has to be worth something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,869 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Certainly not .there are several leinster players deserving of an all star. Huw Lawlor being one,he was trying to plug holes all over the place last Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,572 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    I was just looking up the records there, and, without give realdanbreen a horn, Tipp are some consistent county.

    Their longest run without an All-Ireland is 18 years, and went between 1925 and 1960 without losing a final and winning eight. And won another four before losing another one after that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Only county to have won all ireland every decade. Would rather more then 1 a decade but interesting stat all the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,151 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Haven't they won one every decade. The 18 was the start of one and end of another decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Cork also held that record unti 2019 when they failed to win an All Ireland from 2010-19. They could have won 2013, first day out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Only thing is tipp can claim an all Ireland in the 1880s which Cork can't. Kilkenny and Cork were to play an all Ireland in 1888 but it didn't get played because of the American invasion. They did win in 1890. (Kilkenny lost a pile of finals before winning their first in 1904)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭letsseehere14


    Been thinking about Kilkenny the last few days. Iv come to the conclusion that the current state of Leinster has not benefited them these last few years. This handy run to a semi final in reality is also their downfall. Before the RR it was similar but the Munster teams also had fewer games. Less time to sharpen up and form a real basis of play. Now Munster teams have 4/5 hard, 100% games to really get motoring.

    Their starting 15 is very very good. But they have zero depth. It was noted pre game that that was one area Tipp clearly had them bet. I think this lack of depth has occurred in part due to the lack of a challenge in Leinster. When they rotate, it is against much lesser opposition. Their 15 is good, their panel is untested, under developed. When it came to it last weekend, 3 subs made, one enforced. Where as Cork or Tipp will use their 5 and get an impact.

    There's a hangover among many in the media to talk them up. They are Kilkenny sure, never bet, here they are in another All Ireland semi final, so consistent and theyve made 2 All Ireland finals recently coming of a 6 in a row Leinster run. But that success hides the reality that up against Munster opposition throughout those 6 seasons, their record is incredibly poor. 2 wins, 6 losses in 8 games. Its the kind of form that would see them finish 4th most years in Munster.

    They had everything go for them for 70 minutes last weekend. Their two young stars in Cody and Mullen back fit and starting. Familiarity with Croke Park against a team that haven't played there in years, a great start while Tipp found their feet. I thought they won the easier frees and got away with a lot more 1st half. Looked to me that Butler could have been booked for a swipe across McCarthy for his goal. Went a man up from a soft foul, got away with a red for Deegan I think and Butler was booked instead, who should have been on yellow from the first half anyway. 15 minutes with a free man, 2 points up with 6 minutes of normal time to play. The score board issue shouldnt hide the fact that that was a clear failure by them.

    Not to the level we suffered against Dublin mind you, but still a big failure from their own point of view.

    I can see Munster remaining competitive for a few more years, I can then see us fall away a little and Cork and Tipp take up the top two positions consistently. But in Leinster, all I can see is Kilkenny regressing yet still keeping that top spot. Unless Galway re-awaken, its a bleak looking Leinster Championship. Kilkenny and Wexfords attentances were dreadful this year. There is nothing there to show me more people will come through the gates in 2026.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Seadin


    Good point. Tipp the only team to do it the entire decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Those very early all Irelands are crazy though, there's all sorts of bizarre stuff going on in the early championships, matches cancelled for insane reasons, teams walking off, finals played two years after, etc. The 1905 final was played in 1907. Cork beat kilkenny (in a very high scoring game especially for the time) but their keeper was a reservist in the British army so it was replayed and kilkenny won the replay (scoring seven goals!).

    In conclusion we don't have to count tipps early ones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,572 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    On the flipside, playing in Leinster, and not even getting to the final, didn't do Dublin any harm in their biggest scalp in decades.

    Although your broader point is right. I do think KK are over-rated. Though I'd love to have their recent run in Leinster to fall back on.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,151 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Stuff like people calling for replays because a scoreboard was wrong 🤣

    Ya you're right though some of the early years are mad. Still count though especially Limerick being the only team with a 100% record in All Ireland football finals 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭Krazy gang


    Mossy keoghan has to be an all star. 2-2 in the leinster final and 0-6 last week. Scored 7 pts from in the league on 2 occasions one of the against limerick.

    Similarly Cian o sullivan and cathal Mannion. Mannion was a near 1 man team for galway this year.

    Bryan ó méara and ciaran Joyce 2 strong contenders for half backs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,151 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    50% of the forwards being from outside the final probably won't happen.

    Usually the final 2 get around 12 All Stars so it's possible but I don't see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭New Scottman


    Talking of Wexford, we were remembering this last night. My first time in Croke Park. My father got tickets from the club (Vincent's) for the 1988 Leinster hurling final. He brought my brother and me - we had a great day out even though Dublin weren't in it. Take a look at the Wexford puck out and aftermath - from about 1 min 22 secs - what do you think? Goalie at fault for both goals



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Seadin


    When you come to think about it though it's actually a very good achievement. Would I be right in saying that Kerry have done the same in the football?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Kerry didn't win one until 1903! Don't think any team in football has that tipp record of one every decade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭C4000


    The puck out only gets to the 21. It's like watching a different sport.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,200 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    The goalie slipped and mis-hit that.

    Look, in the end of the day, the hurleys have advanced so much over the years and not enough is made of it (Bas Size mostly).

    Sliotars have changed so so so much though. The sliotars they use at Intercounty are ridiculous. I’m able to hit between the far 65 and 45 with a clean strike and simply should not be able to. They’re lovely to strike mind you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Seadin


    That's unbelievable. I thought with all Kerrys All Irelands they would have won one in every decade.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,195 ✭✭✭✭Realt Dearg Sec


    Should be required viewing whenever someone gets a bit too sentimental about how much better hurling was in the old days. Also why was there an ad for Foster and Allen?



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