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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,231 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That may be the case but referrals from Google fell off a cliff post the march 12 changes to the search algorithm as per the graph presented in this thread.

    That said when the roof is burning you need to put the fire out. The house is on fire. Subscriptions are not going to deliver long term financial sustainability but it might give enough stability for a new growth strategy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,095 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I agree with you on the moderation but iirc there wasn't a 'community' in the initial version of Vanilla post migration. Usage dropped because it was very difficult to find your followed threads. If you just interested in one forum it was less of an issue. But one of the great strengths of Boards with the customisations was that you could follow particular things you were interested in across a wide range of topics from Current Affairs, to Bargain Alerts, Weather, TV, Cycling, whatever.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,579 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Sounds right. One of the problems with people suggesting that a site like Boards.ie could be run on a small server is that when the size of a website's database grows, a lot of other factors, of which they may be unaware, come into play. At the simplest, the sizes of database tables and their indexes have a big effect. Each page requires a number of database queries to build it. A slow response (a slow query) on even one of these queries will slow down the page generation. Then there is the number of simultaneous users. A small website with only a few users just reading posts might be highly responsive on a small server. The same site with hundreds or thousands of simultaneous users, reading and posting, will quickly grind to a halt. It stops being a web developer problem and becomes a database problem. That's where costs can quickly multiply.

    The Boards.ie people did an excellent job with vBulletin and pushed it well beyond its limits with customisation. Splitting the site into an archived section (even harddrive rather than DB-based) and an active section (DB-based) might have been one solution that could have saved some resources. It would have required a lot of planning and hard work. The move to Vanilla suggests that time was of the essence.

    Regards…jmcc

    Post edited by jmcc on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    The wording is clear - money in, survive- no money in- die.

    It would probably be prudent to even attempt to get an estimate via a poll of just how many people will contribute to see if it’s even worth the effort to do this -I can see posters being scarred off - monthly contributions are probably the way to go in the first instance but that means a lot of administration and a reliance people will commit each month

    considering there are far less regular users than the 20k approx official figures suggest, even if 50% of the people who responded to the poll were lying about contributing, I guarantee you that you wouldn’t see 2000 respondents to that poll - ergo, the call for funds will likely fail anyway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 266 ✭✭tromtipp


    I'm happy to pay, the weather forum alone is worth it. MT Cranium alone is worth it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,126 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    I haven't read the entire thread but from what I could see in the first 20 or so pages it was full of posts about moderation and almost exclusively referencing CA. I think it would be safe to say that most of those complaining would have been subject to moderation in some form or other so it saddens me to see Boards bowing to the baying mob.

    I suppose when you're looking for money you have to accommodate people and as a man once said .… never p1ss on the dog when your hand is in it's mouth!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 349 ✭✭sugarman20


    If you couldn't get €50 of value a year from this site there is something wrong. I saved that on a recent group buy that was set up here.

    SUBSCRIBE HERE TO KEEP BOARDS ONLINE

    Linky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭archfi


    Here's a quick and unscientific survey - users of the Boardsie enhancement addon is at 97 Chrome users, 36 Firefox users for a total of 133 boards posters that went to the bother or even knew about it (ie, care somewhat about the place/care about their sanity?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,079 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    All the handwringing about the old data is a bit silly to me. Reminds me of people keeping thousands of old photos on their phone, photos they won't delete but never actually look at.

    Everyone wants the old threads kept. I have little doubt that very few actually ever go back and read them.

    If business decisions are being forced due to wanting to keep the old data, then that is just crazy. Bin it and move on.

    And to those crying about their personal data being deleted if the site is shut down, would you ever listen to yourselves for God's sake.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,095 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Congrats, Current Affairs has now turned into a cesspit of conspiracy theories and atrocity denial about the Bucha massacre.

    Maybe you'll get a few €50 euros from Orwell Road.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Just to use an example of what a complete lack of moderation results in on CA. @Necro @Boards.ie: Odhran So this is now what the site will allow going forward? Conspiracy theories about genocides are the new norm....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭archfi


    It'll still be moderated and all the things some people fear are covered in the site rules except obvious trolling 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,298 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Almost everyone complained about it. Hard to take the moral high ground when moderation was all over the place and indiscriminate.

    Then when picked up on, blame the tools and software for not working.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,782 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I realise this but based on my reading of the current rules, it's completely acceptable so why would anyone report them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,298 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I'd argue navigation was broken. Bookmarks were broken. Links were broken. Subscriptions were broken.

    They also splintered the forums into a million sub forums that you couldn't find. Then wondered why they died.

    I had to quote your post 3 times before it worked. That's not customisation.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,782 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I won't get into the specifics, but they managed to breach the light touch rules on at least seven occasions throughout their little spree. Its now taken care of. We're not going anywhere we're just taking a more hands off approach.

    In any case this thread is about the site's survival, not specific posts or posters in CA. Feedback is better suited to that sort of stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Jeez is that all? The add on has been a game changer. Hopefully the user is able to work their magic when we return to a more stock vanilla.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Of course you would be the one to drag this over here. Our resident always right fact finder. Congrats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I noticed that a forum that I used to use about 20 years ago did start again with a new DB, their old data is now archived. So it has been done.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,095 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There's an older feedback thread about CA moderation which I have bumped looking for clarity about the new rules, would be good to get clarity there rather than derailing this thread with specifics.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,095 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    It is relevant to bring it up relating to the wider survival of the site.
    It's one thing asking people to sign up, there may be an assumption it is Boards as it is now.
    It won't be at a functional level (losing customizations that make the site navigable) or moderation level (at least in CA one of its most active forums).
    Posters were allowed to bring up what they saw as heavy handedness in moderation as a factor against its survival.
    Then surely I am allowed to mention that 'light touch' moderation could be also, where an entire forum charter is dispensed with at short notice.

    Specific discussion\clarity of it I've started in a different Feedback thread.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,188 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    The Harry and Meaghan thread is still going strong - little room for Russian bots to make trouble there 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭archfi


    Yeah low enough but that's only desktop as it doesn't work on mobile, I'm pretty sure mobile users are the largest cohort of users.

    And yep, a great addon and much appreciated too!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,136 ✭✭✭Lirange


    Current Affairs is the main forum I visit these days. This new soft touch approach to moderation has already befouled that forum in just a day. No reason to continue here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,459 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    It is relevant because you think you know the absolute truth on everything. You do not.

    I am not going into a discussion on this subject, in fact I'm not part of this discussion over there either. At all. And I have zero intention of touching that.

    However, part of the problem of this particular thread is that one side's 'information' is taken as gospel on anything no matter how obscure the source whereas the other side's 'information' even if it came from the BBC is being dismissed as 100% 'narrative' or 'conspiracy' simply on the grounds of it being the 'other side'. Is that what you consider levelled debate then is it?

    Thats not even touching the more obvious problems over there.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 26,320 Mod ✭✭✭✭Loughc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 Conte_Partiro


    The volume of users is what makes it.

    Posting in a thread that you know it's going to be the same old cranks replying to you is boring.

    I was having a look at the Feeky Magee grinds teacher thread. The thread was started at around half 2 in the morning and had 17 posts from different people within 10 minutes….at 2:30am!



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Here’s the thing chewy, these people exist, they have views and perceptions which some of us may see as deluded, moderation on boards may have filtered these for you but at some point you really need to filter these yourself, I’d rather see people like that posting freely and have some sort of community notes handle it than have moderation say what I can and can’t read on the internet.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,299 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    If somebody is claiming an recognised massacre is a false flag or crisis actors then that's very much so a conspiracy theory cause it's very much so verified as real. The only country claiming it was staged is the ones who committed it.

    But based on the current rules, it seems like such conspiracy theories can be posted. And it's also pretty apparent that the rules being thrown out the window is resulting in a huge quality drop.



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