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Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,824 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Sorry if this has come up before, I don't want to read through 149 pages and the boards search function is useless for searching individual threads (I think - correct me if not).

    I've been in a couple of cafes lately where if you order a soft drink you have to pay the deposit. Are they supposed to offer to knock it off the bill if you return the container there and then? I'd imagine hardly anyone takes it with them. I know I should have asked at the time, but I didn't want to make a fuss and embarrass the teenagers. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Gettin Auld


    Places that sell things can be exempt from accepting the returns, Mc Donald’s advertise it pretty well in their locations inside. I can’t remember the exact profit, but I think it’s something like a machine costs €28,000 and the return from it is something similar to 7c per 100 items. We ran the numbers in our store and it was 3 years before our individual store begins to profit from it. So it’s not viable for everywhere to have one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Gettin Auld


    Some go thru just fine, and some are like dropping a spanner into a set of gears.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Gettin Auld


    You wouldn’t believe how many people reported significant wasp activity during the very warm weekends, all those smelly beer cans and so on really drew in the wasps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Gettin Auld


    My opinion on Mandate is… mixed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭jj880


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,732 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Probably take with you or leave as tip for staff.

    Very few will bother to take returns due to our large exemption size of 250 square metres.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,350 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Does anyone know when this implementation/stats report is due out? I thought it was early July but no sign yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭bog master


    If I recall correctly each item returned via RVM is worth 2.2 cent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Genghis


    Error post



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Genghis


    About 4.55 on the Friday before August Bank Holiday. Ideally against the backdrop of an unfolding tragedy or scandal or celebrity death somewhere else in the news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Gettin Auld


    You’re correct. I went and did some more reading and you are correct and I am wrong. It seems to vary from €0.022 to €0.026. I was genuinely told that it was 7c per 100 returns.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,282 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    But it could take around 3 years for Tesco to recover the €15 million cost of installing the machines. A few months ago they reported 200 million returns in the first year. That would be €4.4 million from the 2.2 cents payments. It will probably be shorter though beacuse they were counting from February 2024, and the early months were low.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭bog master


    Quite a difference eh? Valuable stuff them old cans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,410 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There's also a subsidy scheme for the first three years of low usage RVMs; something I suspect no Tesco has though!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,282 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The subsidy is explained here, along with other information. From before the scheme.

    https://re-turn.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Retailer-Handling-Fees-Update-July-2023.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Gettin Auld


    A significant difference yes. It leads me to question it now if Tesco track it differently to recover their costs VS investment. Tesco said they invested €15,000,000 into their DRS machines. I don’t know, I’m not in management anymore and I’m just trying to think outside the bubble why my current Store Mnager told us those figures.

    Now that I know the figures, makes me think that hosting a house party now might become a part-time job…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14 GarneyX


    In fairness, in my experience the machines have dramatically improved (probably due to software updates?) compared to the first few months of the scheme. Most machines were absolutely terrible in the beginning, you'd have to insert every bottle/can 4 or 5 times for it to be accepted, machines were going dead mid transaction and so on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,824 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    [duplicate]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,824 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    That looks like a very good return on investment, unless maintenance and operating costs are very high.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭bog master


    Good return, it is a brilliant business plan. Shops with an RVM machine get raw materials (cans & PET) delivered for free and sorted. Crush the cans and store them and be paid for this. ReScam collects sorted and crushed final product ready for sale.

    Shops get paid, ReScam gets paid, hmm, seems someone who does the most work does not!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,307 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Plus interest they accumulate while holding your deposit money. Either shops or re-hassle. Very few people bother to bring back bottles or cans the same day or the next one. Majority of people sit on them till they accumulate enough to warrant hauling bag of them back and that mean probably once a week 10-20 euro. Does not look a lot but multiply that amount by enough of people and you see they get to hold and use millions every week. Not only that these are interest free finances at their disposal they can and most likely are earning interest themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,282 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The bin surrounds are being put in new areas. The report from 10 July says that 1.6 billion containers have been returned. If 5 million was sold every calendar day from 01 Feb 2024, that would make a return rate of 61%. But it would be higher than that because of the sale of non logo containers in the early months.

    https://re-turn.ie/re-turn-rolls-out-bin-surrounds-programme-across-ireland/

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,824 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    A year on I'm grand with it, the machines are fine, I was happy with putting them in my green bin but things change for better or worse, thats life.

    Anyway my big bug bear that I would like to see in the future implemented is the ability for the voucher to be loaded onto an app on your phone. Ive lost count how many times, I've did the return, went off shopping and forgotten to scan the voucher at the till.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,282 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    It is a two way street. It would need agreement between DRS and multiple financial institutions to operate. And they would not do it for free.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭jj880


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,282 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Like the vouchers which someone forgets to redeem on the day, that €54 million is available forever to be claimed. The shoppers can spend the vouchers whenever they go shopping again, or get cash for them. And anyone who wants their money back out of the €54 million simply has to bring their cans/bottles to a machine. I would not be in favour of DRS lining the pockets of the banks just to make life easier for forgetful shoppers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭jj880


    Good man. Forgot about those 270,000,000 containers Ive been keeping out in the shed. Was just waiting for the right time to return them.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭Genghis


    No, it wouldn't. SEPA and card schemes like Visa and MasterCard exist to enable value movements like this.

    You would need

    1. A secure app that scans a QR code from machine screen or from a receipt and stores value in a wallet. (Screens could be an issue as in someone snapping your QR code before you notice).
    2. A way to transfer value from that wallet to either an IBAN or card, customers choice, within the app.
    3. You would ideally have options such as 'automatically send my balance' (say each day) or 'send to me when I request it.

    None of this is rocket science.

    The biggest stumbling block I see is if the codes at step 1 are coded to specific retailers, the fact they cannot be redeemed in other stores suggest they might well be. Retailers may have insisted on this to 'ensure footfall', and once such specificity is designed in, it could be difficult to design out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,271 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Linden Village cider 500ml has the R logo and is part of the scheme.

    But, two Tesco RVMs rejected it. ☹️

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