Hamas strike on Israel

I haven't seen a single IDF supporter on here. Neither have I seen a single supporter of genocide. There are those who hold the opinion that the legal definition of genocide hasn't been reached.

The only posters I have seen against a two-state solution are those who call for a single Palestinian state, based on racist Hamas propaganda. They are denying the right of Israel to exist.

The proposals for resettlement are wrong. They remind me of good republicans who have called for resettlement of unionists in the event of a united Ireland.

To sum up, posters like me think that October 7th was horrific, that Israel, as a state, have a right to self-defence, that Hamas are an evil terrorist organisation intent on the genocidal elimination of Jews, that Iran are the main protaganists of instability in the region, directly, and through their proxies in Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis, that Hamas could bring peace at any time by releasing the hostages and surrendering, that a two-state solution is the best future, and that the resettlement of Palestinians is a bad idea. None of that makes me or others a supporter of the IDF, to present a reasonable position in those terms is just distraction and obfuscation.

That you and others repeatedly fail to condemn Iran and Hamas creates a whole other set of questions.

Of course, Iran was enriching uranium to 60% just for the fun of it.

Of course let's ignore the US intelligence community assessment that Iran had not made a decision to weaponise their nuclear programme prior to the illegal Israeli attack. Also ignore that was Iran was in talks to come to agreement with America over its nuclear programme when Bibi decided to torpedoe those talks.

Lets also ignore Bibi has been saying Iran was months away from building a bomb a bomb since 1995. The same man who told us Iraq had WMD , then when that lie was exposed he shifted the goalposts that he had intent to build a weapons programme . Which is now the strategy of those defending the Israeli attack on Iran.

So just to be clear you condemn genocidal comments from Smotrich and the defence minister. You also prsemuably unreservedly condemn Katz's latest plan to effectively create a concentration camp for Palestinians in Rafah, whereby no Palestinians can leave it. Hamas are genocidal, but it's clear so is the state of Israel under its current government . Go ahead and condemn both instead of deferring to legal opinion that says Israel is not committing genoicide because it then looks like you are indeed trying to excuse the Israeli government otherwise

That you and others repeatedly fail to condemn Iran and Hamas creates a whole other set of questions

What are you talking about? Have you never bothered reading my posts?

You absolutely have shown support for the IDF, and consistently spend your time online defending their brutal actions, or trying to downplay their massacres. I remember asking you about 20 times to tell me what specific actions commited by the IDF against Palestinians civilians do you condemn, and you did not answer once.

You show constant disdain for Muslim civilians, men women and children, who are being massacred every day, and regularly post about them to show how bad their society is (mentioning marital rapes, treatment of women, gays) - pure stereotypical dehumanization of a people on a thread where people are appalled at them being massacred.

I have condemned Hamas dozens of times, and proof is here in black and white to back it up, read through my posts. Its easy for me to condemn them, because I do, unlike your absolute inability to condemn the IDF

I have no idea about Iran, but they sound like a bad bunch. Two absolute c*nts of regime's fighting each other is my take on it.

My side is protection of civilians and always has, every post I have ever posted supports this. Most Irish people are like this, the racism and antisemetism accusations against us for holding a moral position is disgusting. Protection of civilians at all costs, in any other scenario, is not a controversial position to take.

This is the only thread I have ever seen where people display this as a fault, as racism/ antisemetism, by the same people who routinely defend or downplay clear ethnic cleansing and genocide. It's extremely clear what side of that argument you are on.

When I see the peace between Israel and Egypt, between Israel and Qatar, between Israel and the Saudis and Emirati, despite them being seen as traditional enemies, I can see that Israel can be at peace if the conditions are there. Iran has no allies, it has caused problems in Lebanon, Syria and Yemen, as well as in Gaza. The difference is stark.

Israel has routinely cause problems outside its borders over the years.

There might be some chance for peace between Iran and Israel if both the Ayatollahs and Likud were out of the picture.

Israeli critics of the regime are far less optimistic. They argue that it's default position is to be in a stand off, or even at war with its neighbours, a perpetual 'Cold War' so to speak. Living in peace and harmony with the neighbouring states would almost be an alien experience for them. Part of the problem is that they don't see themselves as equals with any of the countries of the Middle East, but far superior to them.

I have already said in the post that you have quoted that I am against resettlement of Palestinians and that I support a two-State solution.

At worst, that is only a temporary feature of the Israeli landscape as it is a democracy. At best, you are overly pessimistic.

With Iran, there is no possibility of change. Its vows of Death to the West and its commitment to the destruction of Israel cannot change with an election. There is nothing flaky about their support of terrorism for the last three decades and nothing flaky about their enriching uranium for fun to 60%.

Israel has ethics yet is being run by a war criminal. They are obviously better than Hamas but worse than the PA in charge of the West Bank. Also hardly ethical to continue to colonise land in the West Bank.

The best time to plant a tree was yesterday. The second best time was today.

They acknowledged that they were late. So did Sanders. Both of these in the space of 18 hours

A tide is shifting

I saw a clip on X of Israeli tourists being told to leave a restaurant in Spain. I can't help but think Israeli's don't realise how much they are hated around the world. The world is disgusted by the genocide in Gaza. By the ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. The world will not forget or forgive.