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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,091 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Yup.

    Basically when you Google something now, Gemini AI does it for you where as before you'd have to actually click into the source/website, such as Boards.ie and read it yourself. And maybe sign up and start posting.

    And guess what, Gemini don't pay Boards.ie for those would be sessions.

    We've slepwalked into a completely new way of how the internet works.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 309 ✭✭purplefields


    Boards.ie isn't the only website affected by this. I was reading about this a couple of months ago and it's going to get much worse over the next couple of years.

    What Google want to do, and are currently doing in some locations, is to replace their search with AI generated results. Before you would get pages of links, click on a link and be bought to the webpage with the answer to what you were looking for. The webpage in question gets their click etc.

    What will happen is that instead of providing all the links, google will instead give you the answer instead so people will no longer visit the site. It's really unethical what they are doing. They've scraped 20-30 years of knowledge from websites for their large language models. Now they have the info, they can screw everyone else.

    Makes me wonder about the end game. What happens with all the sites disappear? - where will they get the knowledge from then?

    For people running small websites, their days could be numbered. All that will be left is Amazon, Meta, Google, Apple and Microsoft.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,472 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    I've brought this up three times in the past. Niamh and somebody else said they were going to look into it but I haven't heard anything since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,194 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    If I pay the sub will the fecking page stop having a fit on me? 😂

    I’d definitely consider paying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,369 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    Yeah I think I mentioned it before as well! I also think many of us suggested plenty of ideas years ago but nothing, surely we could all see the iceberg dead ahead years and years ago whilst the powers that be reorganized the deck chairs.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,929 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Best of luck lads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 BeGrand2025


    Other forums I’m on have a donate button. I’d much rather throw a few quid instead of a sub.


    This site is so much more than a forum. It’s a treasure trove of knowledge that Irish people can(or used to be able to) search for. Like how to tackle a specific legal problem, or dealing with insurance issues, or where to find a niche tradesman. There’s pages upon pages of threads that should not be lost.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 12,389 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    I don't think there's any hope in reaching 2,000 subscribers. Time to start discussions about handing the site over to the community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,672 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    This website is not the future of conversation and has been trending in a clear and inevitable direction for years. Vanilla and recent Google changes are part of the story, sure - but if you take a step back, declining users and dying sub-fora are a reality of the boards.ie experience for quite some time.

    If I were to pay, I'd need to know a great deal more about what an exit strategy entails, including the baseline numbers required to make it work, etc. My assumption for some time has been that this site will fail and be abandoned. I also assume that the infrastructure and hosting packages, etc, represent a significant outlay that would prohibit the calls for this to be 'turned over to the community' when the time comes.

    If people are to pay, then, in my opinion, they need to have assurance that growth is not an assumption and the plan here is about maintenance and end-of-life extension. If there is still a business behind this, looking to turn a profit and thinking a subscription model will do the trick, it seems to me a poor investment for the user. Money down the drain.

    Will paying subscribers get a voice in how things run? Will paying subscribers get special privileges? Can / should you be banned as a paying subscriber? What does "community" really mean in a paid subscription model? I don't expect excellent answers here, to be honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    How do these subs get paid, is there a secure payment portal. Would definitely pay if it meant boards stayed alive.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,944 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    As someone who has a number of “bans” for ridiculous reasons including moderator incompetence and over zealousness , I’d happily pay an annual subscription to keep boards afloat but I would want to see this ridiculous over modding approach and penalties dumped - we’ve gone from a year ago with no mod in sight to bans for the most trivial of issues - it’s ridiculous at this point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,506 ✭✭✭corkie


    Where is the payment portal to sign up?

    I don't know how whitelisting boards will help, when ads are usually served by a third party and I'm not interested in been tracked across sites by them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,284 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I don't understand how €10,000 is needed every month to run a forum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,859 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    As I mentioned above, paid subscriptions were a thing here for years. It's nothing new, no need to reinvent the wheel, just handle it the same way. If I even remember correctly, the figures look the same as they used to be.

    You pay a subscription, ads get removed, you can change your avatar and username. There was also a private subscribers forum. That was how it was for a very long time and a fair few people subscribed from what I could see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,371 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Hosting charges, chargeable change requests for Vanilla(?), wages for Mike (not sure if Odhran takes a cut?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 ArtfulPodger


    Bye bro.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,944 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    There’s tons of gibberish too 😀- and with about 17 years of posting I’d include myself in that category

    But yeah- motors forum alone is a treasure trove no less I’m sure Cycling or BBQ threads or food etc etc

    I could see a few folk who lead out on these forums and are respected setting up their own discussion forums



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,672 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    It wasn't in the context of the forum being weeks from closure.

    Or in the context of this being a dying medium.

    At the time, there was an actual "community" orientation, with a connection to the people running the business.

    There was hope for the future of the place.

    Things have changed significantly; caveat emptor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,423 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Are these new envisaged subscribers going to be paying for AI scrapers to train on them?

    Can anyone answer that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,859 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,423 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    They did until some admin changed a guy's profile and proved it's not secure



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,371 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I'd agree with a lot of this, and other posts saying that part of the "deal" should be a review of some more recent decisions and changes in how the site is run day-to-day.

    I'm not saying everything would need to be run by committee, but it's obvious that certain things like the current moderating approach in CA are against the wishes of the majority of reasonable posters.

    There's also far greater transparency needed. Many, myself included, have been asking for an update on the site (both as a whole and the ongoing technical issues) and offering ideas like getting the wealth of knowledge and experience in this community actively and practically involved - all to be met with silence.

    Now we get a post saying the site is weeks away from death and the collection basket is out.

    It's good that we know (finally) how dire things are, but if people are to be asked contribute to the upkeep of the place, a lot more interaction is needed from Odhran for one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭Pete Moss


    People are going nuts for €30 smart watches in the BA forum - Has anyone in Boards HQ considered buying a bulk load of them then flogging them at a profit?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,047 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    €5 to €6 euros a month is about the cost of one or two cups of coffee, the price of a beer, 5 cigarettes. Not really that big a deal for most people.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 30,790 CMod ✭✭✭✭johnny_ultimate


    A very modest monthly salary for two people, associated taxes, hosting costs, misc Vanilla and upkeep charges, the tax and processing fees on the income… not to mention any potential legal costs, contractors etc… TBH, €10,000 mightn't get you very far at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,944 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    There’s also no guarantee that if even 2000 or whatever it is posters donated 50 squid a year, that the site would survive - we need more detail on this -I would bet, any forum worth its salt and is active right now, are already making plans to exit - I don’t think boards will be here by end of summer by the sound of things



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 827 ✭✭✭ECookie13


    Boards is such an important part of Ireland’s open online voice and discussion.

    With alternatives like reddit Ireland being quietly and heavily censored to align with certain viewpoints and keep advertisers happy, it's a real shame things have come to this. Then again, there are better niche Irish sub reddit forums that have the Boards spirit.

    Boards feels like the last of a dying breed in that sense where people can post in a free manner and you will find all sorts of sub forums/topics to discuss, with people specialising in the forum. Now we have garbled messes of websites where everything is lumped into one pot and things get lost in the spam/shuffle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,849 ✭✭✭con747


    I'm in but as said before the community needs to be kept in the loop a lot more if it keeps going because the silence from Mike over the past few months when constantly being asked about all the bugs wasn't on and Odhran hasn't posted about the site in god knows how long.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.

    Save Boards.ie from closing down. Buy a subscription to help keep it running here https://subscriptions.boards.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,820 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I'll pay up, but Necro has to say a bunch of nice things about me. These are my terms.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,125 ✭✭✭thomas anderson.


    The PROC is cheaper



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