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Comreg SMS "likely scam" texts

  • 08-07-2025 03:37PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭


    Sounds like a bit of a mess brewing with this. Yonks (decades) ago I used to work in the SMS business so I'm out of the loop a bit, but I did wonder how this system is going to work. There's a dearth of technical information on the comreg site.

    As a test I just tried to login to paypal, and the 2FA text message from them was flagged as "likely scam".

    How is it actually supposed to work? How do they impose whatever procedures/processes are required on entities outside their jurisdiction?

    https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/comreg-blames-telecoms-firms-for-national-scam-text-mess/a91171082.html

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭gipi


    I got my first flagged text today, it was a (legitimate) reminder from my dentist in NI. These reminders are likely to be blocked from later this year, if I've read the info correctly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭plodder


    How is a dentist in NI (or from further away) to be expected to know they have to do something with this? But, businesses that only operate here are affected as well. VHI for example. It's baffling.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    It’s a mess alright, and there was very little in the way of a campaign to inform the general public that it was coming -

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0703/1521541-text-scams/


    Basically whomever is using providers outside the jurisdiction to provide services like authentication, marketing, monitoring etc, will have to register their providers themselves with ComReg or, have the provider register with ComReg themselves.

    Of course already it’s throwing up a heap of issues due to the fact that there’s no nuance to it whatsoever - everything alphanumeric gets labelled as ‘Likely Scam’. It’s supposed to make the receiver think, before opening the message. It’s meant to cut down on spam and scammers opportunities.

    As much as it’s an inconvenience, the idea is to protect consumers so… I’m ok with it, but they do need to tailor it to be more specific and check on who’s actually registered more frequently. Right now obviously there are service providers registered who are being treated as though they haven’t, with their messages being labelled as likely a scam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭plodder


    But, what does it mean to "register" a sender ID? How does that on its own protect consumers from scams? There's rather a large leap between the two questions.

    I see in the RTE article above also this:

    "People can still receive text messages from normal phone numbers or foreign phone numbers which could also still be fraud. We are talking to Government to see what we can do to tackle those messages as well in the future."

    So scammers can still use regular SIM card based phones, rather than IT systems.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Basically contact ComReg and register the service with them, the App2SMS are going to numbers on Irish networks anyway, so for example if it’s a company in Ireland is providing technical support for a company in Germany, and the company in Germany is using App2SMS for authentication - whomever is responsible in Ireland for providing technical support support has to tell the company in Germany to register their service with ComReg.

    Microsoft have done it already, but I can think of many, many more authentication services providers who haven’t. I’d imagine you were working in SMS services in the 2000s when ringtone and competition services were using SMS identifiers like the 5xxx numbers - same principle. Until ComReg got the finger out, scammers were making enormous profits off teenagers downloading ringtones and pensioners entering all sorts of competitions and being subscribed without knowing.

    Scammers can still use regular SIM card based phones (more likely they’re using bulk SMS services targeting random numbers). but they aren’t able to make them look like they come from say your local dentist or whatever who’s using an App2SMS service to give themselves a friendly name like SMILES ‘R’ US or whatever 😂

    If the message still comes from Likely Scam, then it probably is, a scam. In October I think, unregistered services will be blocked completely.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I already got one a few days ago when registering with GoMoWorld.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,819 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Got one for Temu. Give it five to ten years it might be good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭samcr440!




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭csirl


    Do Comreg do any checks to verify that people seeking to register are not scammers? Otherwise the scammers will start registering.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,267 ✭✭✭Jizique


    My appointment reminder from St James Hospital in Dublin 8 was flagged as 'likely scam'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,188 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Wonder if I can make it so my Bosses texts get flagged as spam "sorry. Best ignore this message"

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    My VHI authentication code was flagged as "Likely Scam". And 3 appointment confirmations from a beauty place I attend. None of them contained links or anything else that could lead to losing money. I'm all for them trying to cut down on things but maybe if they could target those messages that contain links rather than just the word messages. Not one person I talked to knew about this until the day it came into effect and that includes in work where we would send out messages to customers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Sounds to me like they brought it in too early. Could end up being a case of "the boy who cried 'wolf'" and end up being ignored by some for being unreliable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭KildareP


    No excuse. This has been well documented for months and ComReg were very clear what needed to be done. This was first mooted back in June 2023 so anyone caught out at this stage just didn't bother doing anything until now.

    Not necessarily surprising - in the era of outsourcing, most companies contract our bulk SMS to a provider and assume their provider looks after it all. In a lot of cases these providers are offshore and have absolutely no idea where Ireland is, never mind any of the specifics of our communications network.

    I know of two customer facing systems where we worked with our SMS providers (at their request, not ours - so there are providers being proactive) earlier this year to ensure our outbound SMS that uses our name in the FROM will continue to work - which they still do as of today. Another system used for alerting and monitoring is being flagged, but that doesn't matter as it isn't customer facing so we never took much heed of it until now - the provider had absolutely no idea what I was talking about when I raised it with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Fair enough, in that case it might be the proverbial kick up the arse that the SMS providers need to fix it. But I'd still be concerned about it being ignored by some if too many legitimate messages get flagged.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Well, they have until October before their messages get blocked entirely! 😄

    This has already happened with voice calls (hence the drastic reduction in spam calls with spoofed Irish numbers) which similarly knocked out a number of offshore-based VoIP providers which were presenting Irish geographic numbers and who didn't take action in time to verify themselves or their number ranges as legitimate.

    To be honest it is badly overdue - the whole caller line identification system is beyond antiquated. There is absolutely no authentication at any stage that the number you present as the outbound caller ID belongs to you.

    Once you have access to an SMS or voice gateway you could literally fire out calls and messages to anyone in the world and present whatever you like as the caller ID and the recipient network just accepts it as is (let's just say I have had great craic over the years with this in the days of having an onsite phonesystem!)

    The regulators around the world are beginning to clamp down on that due to the abuse - which is what this is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭plodder


    To be honest it is badly overdue - the whole caller line identification system is beyond antiquated.

    Yes, agree on that.

    But, what if Paypal doesn't update its system by October? That would mean nobody in Ireland can login to their paypal account. Actually, they have an option to receive an automated call as well. So, that will still work and they have a .ie domain so one would hope they will work with it. But, there must be internet sites around the world which use SMS for 2FA and who don't care that much about Ireland.

    All the talk has been about registering the sender IDs, but how does the verification work when someone tries to send an SMS through some gateway? I can't find any reference to technical specifications or standards being used. These are complicated problems to solve, and usually there are trade-offs involved.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭KildareP


    You need to register the message sender ID AND the gateway ("aggregator") that will be used to send messages with it, as a pair on the ComReg database.

    If I have a dodgy gateway and I start sending out SMS as PLODDERBANK then the mobile operators will see that my gateway is not registered on the database to send messages as PLODDERBANK and will mark it as Likely Spam (and from October, block it outright).

    Similarly, for number spoofing, the mobile operators know which operator an Irish mobile number is registered to at any given time, and if a message comes in with my number as the ID but the message is not coming from my mobile network, then it's not valid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭plodder


    Thanks. I wonder what will happen with senders and/or aggregators based outside of Ireland who aren't expected to engage with comreg? The example I mentioned above of some obscure website (using SMS for 2FA) that some people here might be using, but the site knows nothing about Ireland. Will they be blocked from October? I guess they have until then to (hopefully) find them.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭nullObjects


    It's says these texts will be blocked outright from October

    Is there any way to opt out?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    To stop people getting scammed they are taking away 2fa that protects people from getting hacked. Typical Irish solution by public servants that don’t have two brain cells to rub together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭KildareP


    Except that is not what is happening at all. This measure has nothing to do with 2fa directly nor is it confined to Ireland.

    What this is about is to stop the rampant spam calls and texts of recent years that were spoofing names and numbers, mainly from dodgy providers.

    Any provider who actually bothered to stay on top of matters will have had absolutely no difference to their SMS delivery once this change came into place.

    @nullObjects there is no opt-out, it's all being done at a network interconnect level. Frankly, there is no need to opt-out - any legitimate provider of bulk SMS has zero reason for their SMS to be blocked once they follow the protocol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Only if the market you are serving in big enough in the country. Some companies will just no longer offer the service here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 100 ✭✭Lando Griffins OTHER HALF


    Well I was logging into Epic Games and got a likely scam for their text verification. Can't see likes of Epic Games registering.

    This will cause huge problems with important verification messages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,522 ✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Was blocked out of work systems yesterday but they could switch us over to an authenticator app very easily. But that's because if they didn't we'd be sitting around scratching our arses and the company managed the authentication themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭KildareP


    I don't see why we should be holding off securing our public networks just because a company can't be bothered to do a relatively straightforward registration process. If anything it is in the interests of the companies involved to avoid being spoofed themselves and then having their support channels clogged up with hacked customer accounts.

    Most companies are actually moving away from SMS 2FA themselves anyway - EpicGames, eBay and PayPal to name but a few - because SMS 2FA is at risk of SIM swap fraud.

    Given that no messages are being blocked until October, something else went wrong here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭plodder


    When SMS only worked over mobile networks, that was a big problem doing 2FA when indoors at your desk and the mobile coverage wasn't great. Wifi calling is supposed to allow SMS over wifi as well, but I find it doesn't work reliably (if at all) on my network. That's one big benefit of authenticator apps, which will always work over wifi. But, whatever about specific apps like your banking app, general purpose authenticators aren't really suitable for your ordinary end user/consumer/phone user in my opinion.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Just got a scam text from “DHL” (as opposed to “Likely Scam”) with a link in it. So was that a registered gateway being misused?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,358 ✭✭✭plodder


    Can you show a screenshot? Was the sender id "DHL" or a phone number?

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I didn’t keep the message, the URL was an obvious fake. But the sender was shown as “DHL” rather than a phone number.



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