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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Who knew killing children would be so unpopular.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    Those who are doing it i would assume 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭Quitelife


    Terrible looking at the news every day .

    Should the news at the start just announce the amount of people Israel kill every day rather than look at the horrific scenes after Israel bombs the people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I guess the scenes help humanise the Palestinians. Exactly the way the israelis were showing the crimes committed against their people in october 7th.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,630 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Yes. Many ex US Officials and Israelis officials have said as much. It started with Shamir, who ignored warnings from his own advisers not to help The founder of Hamas rise to power at the expense of the more secular PLO, but he ignored the advice as he saw it as the best way to undermine the prospect of a two state solution. Hamas as you say have been the perfect bogeyman over the years for Likud to maintain the status quo. Bibi hated Shamir but he adopted the same approach to Hamas because he is opposed to a two state solution. He even boasted to colleagues that keeping Hamas sweet was the best way to ensure there could be no two state solution.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=7386c0

    There goes a wanted war criminal, to the freest nation on earth

    Hope we can send one of our kites up just to annoy the pilots. Looks like they're gonna give us a wave if they continue on current path

    If anyone is interested, you might hear some comms here - https://www.liveatc.net/hlisten.php?mount=einn2_high1&icao=einn

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I'm surprised he's willing to overfly countries who have signed up to the ICC. We've seen with the Ryanair flight that was diverted to Belarus with a bogus bomb threat. Now I know it's not a commercial flight, but if air traffic control over France receive a bomb/hijack threat and the plane in question fails to obey air traffic control…. who am I kidding, nothing would happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,190 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    An interesting article on the impact of Iran's Ballistic Missile attacks and in particular the impact of the switch in missile types in the latter stages of the conflict.

    In a revelation that has rocked Western intelligence and reignited anxieties in Middle Eastern defence circles, Iran’s relentless 12-day missile offensive did not just hammer Israeli civilian and industrial infrastructure but also dealt direct blows to at least five strategic military facilities, including a vital intelligence collection centre, as confirmed by The Telegraph.

    This dramatic insight, reconstructed through detailed radar signatures and high-resolution satellite imagery analysed by researchers at Oregon State University, underscores how far Iran’s missile force has evolved into an arsenal capable of challenging even the world’s most sophisticated multi-layered air defence systems.

    At the heart of this unprecedented strike package was Iran’s growing deployment of hypersonic glide vehicles (HGVs) and maneuverable re-entry vehicles (MaRVs) — next-generation systems engineered to pierce interception nets like Iron Dome, David’s Sling, Arrow, and even the US-supplied THAAD batteries.

    It reinforces the narrative that the impact of Iran's strikes were far in excess of what Israel expected. Israel is still keeping a very tight rein on any damage reports from military targets so any damage assessment, such as the one in this article are reliant on open source satellite imagery.

    It also highlights the expense involved in maintaining any effective prolonged Ballistic Missile Defence. There are reasons that the Soviets & US signed an ABM treaty and whilst modern technology has increased the effectiveness of BMD weapons, it hasn't yet managed to shift the arithmetic in favour of the defender. In a prolonged exchange, the attacker has an advantage of at least 3:1 in terms of cost versus the defender.

    A small economy, or indeed any economy apart from the US, China or the EU as a whole, cannot afford a sustained BMD programme based on missile interceptors. Perhaps as directed energy weapons become more efficient or even the holy grail of effective rail guns (Japan look like getting one in service soon) then it may shift the balance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,110 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Yeah, the Palestine Action group drawing attention to the West's direct and indirect support for the mass slaughter of children, the forced starvation of those not dead, the forced movement of people to 'safe areas' and then bomb them, the theft of people's homes and land…For those 'crimes' PA have been proscribed as terrorist by a shameful UK government led by hypocrite who in a previous life defended people who damaged military equiptment.

    As for PA not 'actually helping Palestine' - that's an opinion you're entitled to articulate but you also know what's not helping Palestine - UK support for Israeli state terrorism, UK provision of military hardware/software used to salughter innocent children, UK support for forced starvation……….

    Your final paragraph, notably your WWII analogy is worthy of a place among the Israeli regime's revisionist propaganda canon.

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Why the obsession with the response of “the west”? In case you haven’t noticed there is no “west” anymore as likes of Trumpistan has now more in common with Saudis

    Where is the concern for none of the Arab states or India or China etc doing anything at all, zero

    And likes of Egypt doing worse than nothing by ramping up imports of gas pumped form waters outside of Gaza



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,110 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Unfortunately, there's alot of name calling, abuse and ad hominen here, it's a reductive approach to debate and discourse. Your responses to me continue to state untruths. Given you persist in debating in this fashion I'll keep my response brief…

    1. You'll have to provide more information about the 'Random Jews' spat at, I haven't seen those reports. There was a report that an IDF soldier was accosted and spat at in a hotel in Dublin. I've no issue identifying him for his role in killing Palestinians - I wouldn't condone spitting at anyone. I also could be wrong but I don't believe PA were invovled in that?
    2. I haven't painted any one as heroes or peace activists - I have stated I get why PA are engaging in the acts they are, but ultimately they are futile and won't alone change policy but they are drawing attention to a far greater evil, an evil that you on the evidence of your posts are broadly indifferent to as you ridicule any mention of Israel. Putin is a contstant reference point yet Netanyahu doesn't get a mention.
    3. You're attributing my 'support' to a whole load of imaginary scenarios you've concocted and committed to writing - I see no reason so repond to such unsubstantiated allegations.
    4. 'Slava Ukraine' but f@ck off Gaza - how very on message that is with Trump, Von Der Leyen, Macron, Strarmer etc…..some children matter, some don't….
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭tarvis


    In lunchtime news the ‘land of the free’ is preparing to welcome Netanyahu to the White House. There are also pictures of West Bank demolitions being carried out right now and the results of another nighttime attack on sleeping Gazans.

    If the World was the right way up this Israeli leader - would be arrested and sent straight to The Hague -

    However he is being welcomed by one of his partner warmongers and all the pillars of international law have been shown up to being made of sand and dismissed by the self appointed king of the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,943 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Lol "international law" :) something tells me Putler didn't consult "international law" when deciding to invade Ukraine, and Iran didn't consult "international law" when deciding to supply weapons to the aggressor in that conflict. I also suspect that Iran's proxies, e.g. Hamas, the Houthis etc don't consider "international law" when they attack merchant shipping in the Red Sea, fire missiles into Israel or commit attacks like the 7th of October attacks.

    But hey, ignore all that because Trump and the Jews or something.

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    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I would think those supporting Ukraine would be for international law and for Putin to be tried before the ICC. Actually support international bodies trying to hold international war criminals to account.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Lawlesz


    I could think of another country who have displayed a complete disregard for international law for the last 40 or 50 years, by establishing settlements illegally, starving and committing war crimes, etc etc but of course you choose to ignore that. Either international law applies or it doesn't. Also, the "lol" as innocents are dying is unbelievably crass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    The US and Israel have been central to the erosion of international law for decades.

    It used to be that countries would at least pretend to build a case for war before the UN.

    Then decades of the UN resolutions being vetod by America made the UN completely irrelevant in this sphere

    Not to mention that Israel can directly bomb and target UN peace keepers and human rights workers with total impunity

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Yes they have but when you have pro Russian imperial war of conquest cheerleaders cheering on Hamas, Mullahs (this thread), Kim, Xi and Houthi’s in any of the half dozen parallel threads all of which are now interrelated because this axis of fuckwittery (which now includes Trumpistan) wants a “multi polar world” where “might is right” and laws and rules are only something you mention when need to resort to whataboutery

    It’s hard not to feel gaslit

    you might not realise but putting a blind eye on these lads only ensures people get pushed away from your cause



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I have zero time for any pro Russian posters in here (and there aren't many)

    The 'Mullahs' have sold weapons to Russia and thats bad, I also oppose the west arming the worlds dictators.

    Nobody comments on Boards whenever America bombs yemen, which they have done many times even under Biden, and very few people are on here cheerleading the houthis either.

    The only exception is where these are in support of demanding an end to the genocide in Gaza. Its wrong to target non combatants, but if the goal is not to kill innocent people but to disrupt the aggressors economic activities than it can be argued that they are legitimate acts of resistance

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    you have now contradicted yourself tho

    You want international law but are ok with international law and trade be disrupted and attacked in name of “resistance”

    The Houthi’s whom I assume you are talking about couldn’t give two **** about Palestinians, hell they don’t give two **** about own Yemenis who are suffering a famine for years now due to their war of “resistance” while busy running slave markets in 21st century



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,897 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I don't support the Houthis. The fact that they exist is due to the constant outside meddling in the region.

    America through Saudi Arabia and Israel funding and arming and actively fighting on one side in the brutal civil war, Russia and Iran supporting the other.

    Its a shitshow with many innocent victims caught in the middle and billionaires and oligarchs making ludicrous profits from Arming both sides.

    The UN should be able to resolve this through diplomacy and non violent enforcement of agreements, but that is impossible because the US have been at the forefront of defenestrating the UN by completely bypassing them

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    don’t disagree but this ain’t the left wing “causes” and wars of late 20th century anymore with charismatic characters like Che and multiple wars against colonisers across the world

    This time likes of Russia (and yes Israel) are the ones doing the colonising while using the “far left” AND “far right” as useful idiots

    They all starting and fuelling wars to cause chaos and create a “multi polar world” with “spheres of influence” where “might is right” all while starting and spreading multiple bonfires across the world where innocent people get caught

    This thread is full of fake “waaaa waaa 😭 but but the international law” and likes of our resident TASS spokesperson going on without a shred of irony about “hypocrisy”

    But like I mentioned multiple times this is the world these shithole oligarchic and theocratic regimes want



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Nonsense.

    International law was never in a position to be eroded.

    The Soviet Union never accepted international law, neither did its successors. China has never accepted international law. North Korea has never accepted international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    When did Iran move outside the Middle East?

    The Houthis are a creature of Iran.

    When did the UN resolve anything through diplomacy? Naive to think that they could solve the Middle East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,110 ✭✭✭MFPM


    The United States has never accepted international law either...it's hardly 'nonsense'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    How does a claim that international law has been eroded stand up if international law was never accepted?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    International law does apply. Just for countries in Africa or historically Serbia judging by the history of the ICC/ICJ, or its predecessors.

    Funny that during the first few months it was argued Israel was not committing war crimes, now their supporters are just saying International law doesnt matter. I doubt many of the same posters would be annoyed if Putin was up before the ICC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah harping on about "the west" just makes you look like a Russian propaganda piece.

    Ireland, the north and Britain are all in the West. Yet Ireland is occupied by the Brits. So is "the West" complicit in "the West". It's just daft at this stage. And countries outside the west support Israel too. Tbh I think a lot of people stop reading someone's opinion when it starts with "the west".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I've tuned out of the news on Iran. Have there been many executions?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Which supporters of Israel are saying that international law doesn't matter?

    In fact, who are these "supporters of Israel"?

    Calling out the Iranian regime's oppression of women does not make you a supporter of Israel. Calling out the Iranian regime's support of terrorist groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis does not make you a supporter of Israel. Calling out the dangers of Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon given the constant threats from its regime to the West (which we are a part of) does not make you a supporter of Israel.

    Does failing to call out the above make you a supporter of the Iranian regime, second only to the Taliban in the oppression of their own people?



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