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Hamas strike on Israel

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    Do you actually think protests are aimed at foreign actors such as Hamas? People protest about their own government's view on things. They don't go out on the street and protest something if their government already shares their view.

    You are yet another poster who drags this argument up and it's just embarrassing. Like the fact you believe anyone in any Western country has to protest against Hamas, when they're seen as a terrorist organisation by practically everyone including every government.

    I seriously think I need to give up on this thread. Looking at the same people projectile vomit this inane horseshlte through their keyboards every single day, over and over.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    What on earth are you on about? Nobody in the UN denied the attack on October 7th, nor do I. I'm appalled by what happened and believe many war crimes and human rights abuses were carried out. This does not come close to justifying what Israel have continued to do, nor does it justify their past abuses of the Palestinian people.

    I'm not absolving Hamas of anything, I'm clarifying the statement of "The river to the sea" which you may interpret as some sort of genocidal chant, where I am clarifying that it is a call for an equal and fair society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    So you admit Hamas are a terrorist organisation yet approve of people promoting their ideology of the destruction of Israel and just accept everything the ministry for health puts out in their propaganda campaign.

    Glad we're clear on your position.

    We're done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    The only thing I do in here is talk about Israel's war crimes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭Suckler


    You're "done" when you have to blatantly twist words and create your own narrative from the manipulated thoughts.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    You must have been watching different mainline news channels to me if you believe the UN didn't refuse to accept it was happened.

    I disagree with your understanding of what the chant means.

    We'll never agree.were done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    They want you to give up. The same tired old arguments are used over and over to wear you out. It doesn't matter how many times their arguments are complete discredited or how many reply questions go unanswered. Don't fall for it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    Show me where the UN denied it happened.

    You have made several unfounded claims and assertions in this thread and when called out on it you finally whittle it down to "We'll never agree here. were done. (sic)"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    Just another Thursday in Gaza.

    I don't understand how anyone can defend this. Comments like "Hamas just need to lay down arms." Skims over the fact that it's obvious Hamas aren't the targets here and the killing is indiscriminate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,106 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Most of the regime's support (outside Israel) is coming from racists, ethno-nationalists, the far right etc…..individuals not exactly known for their empathy or kindness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Did you actually watch that yourself?

    "They (HAMAS) need to get out of our lives. Leave us. We want to live. We don't have any more energy. I'm 24 yesrs old. What's left for me. Tell us what is left for us here. We're tired. I swear we're tired."

    "We want the negotiators (HAMAS) to be hungry for a week. Just for a week. Then they'll know the value of a soul."

    If the people in Gaza can lay the blame on Hamas, why are people like you so reluctant to blame them. This video is a record of human suffering. Posters like you seem to see it as nothing more than another propganda piece against Israel though.

    If you'd paused to actually listen to the people you might form a different view.

    Those people lay the blame on Hamas. Perhaps you should consider actually listening to their voices for a change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,459 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    I watched it. Get out of it, those are merciless killings by Israele soldiers. Hamas are certainly a problem, but firing on and bombing women and children and people queuing for food, I can't see any justification for any of the killings in that video.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,106 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Hamas are 'not' responsible for the genocide in Gaza - and I'm not a fan of theirs at all. Israel claiming "Hamas made us do it" will not wash at the future war crimes trials. Hamas were observing the ceasefire in mid-March when Israel recommenced the onslaught and started deliberately starving the population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    The Gazans in the video beg to differ, not that your going to listen to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    Looks like the people of Gaza (above) are about to get their wish.

    Hamas about to throw in the towel. Symbolic surrender of weapons happenning now.

    "The move is seen as a symbolic reflection of Hamas's interest in the ceasefire proposal, as Israel has demanded the total disarmament of Hamas as a condition to end the war."

    We could be looking a Middle East without either Hamas or Hezbollah in the very near future.

    If only Hamas has surrendered 12 months ago, instead of delaying the inevitable.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/senior-hamas-leaders-doha-told-113514172.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,106 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If the Gazan public want to be angry with Hamas, that's absolutely fine but nobody is making the terrorist state drop bombs on them or starve them. Hasn't Netanyahu said that even if the hostages are released, his so called war will go on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    I'm glad your allowing the Gazan population to be 'angry' at the ruination Hamas have wrought on their own people.

    Bibi has said that the war will go on until Hamas has disarmed and are prepared to be removed from Gaza, which is exaclty what has to happen. No reasonable person could argue otherwise.

    There can be no future for Gaza with Hamas present after the war, no possibility of rebuilding, no hope for the next generation. The political wing of Hamas in Gaza have realised this a long time ago. The military wing in Gaza is slowly coming to the same inevitable conclusion.

    Gaza will very soon be a Hamas free zone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭circadian


    So the Israelis are completely without blame for the mass indiscriminate killings because Hamas? I can totally understand the position of the Palestinians, of course they curse Hamas, why wouldn't they? It hardly absolves Israel of the responsibility of their actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    I never said the Israelis were without blame.

    The comments of those people do however underlie a sentiment amongst some Gazans that they see the root cause of their present circumstances as being attritable to Hamas and not necessarially Israel as posters on here imply.

    And thery're right. Hamas is, and always has been the problem. There can be a peaceful middle east with Israel, but none with Hamas, Hezbollah.

    Those poor people in that video see death and destruction up close and personal, and blame Hamas. Posters on here see the same images and evidence it as a reason for Hamas existance.

    It's a hell of a different perspective between the actual victims of Hamas and the anti Jew/Zionist/Israeli posters on here who are ever ready to provide some form of validation for the existance of that particular group.

    Hamas have to go. Thankfully they're almost gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    I never said the Israelis were without blame.

    The shot.

    Hamas is, and always has been the problem

    The chaser.

    Go away and shill your war crimes somewhere else.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    It's always the same with those who shill for israeli war crimes.

    Hamas killed some people, therefore the Zionists have carte blanche for ethnic cleansing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,956 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Well, we could certainly see a Middle East without Netanyahu and Gallant either and a Middle East with one Nation guilty of Genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Surprise surprise…


    The American security staff guarding aid distribution sites in Gaza are using live ammunition and stun grenades against aid seekers, two anonymous U.S. contractors told AP, adding that they were coming forward because they were disturbed by what they considered dangerous and irresponsible practices.

    They said the staff hired were often unqualified, unvetted, heavily armed and seemed to have an open license to do whatever they wished. "There are innocent people being hurt. Badly. Needlessly," said one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Anyone seen any reports lately on how brave Alleged War Criminal #1 is and how much he supports the Israelis slaughtered in Oct 7th?

    Me neither.


    On Thursday, 636 days after Hamas rampaged through Israeli communities along the Gaza border, PM Netanyahu arrived for the first time at Kibbutz Nir Oz, where nearly a quarter of residents – 117 people – were killed or kidnapped. Dozens of protesters waited at the entrance to the kibbutz, but Netanyahu entered from a back entrance, where only a few had gathered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    No, it won't.

    The population of Gaza at the end of the war will be roughly the same as the population at the beginning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭sheepysheep


    "They (HAMAS) need to get out of our lives. Leave us. We want to live. We don't have any more energy. I'm 24 yesrs old. What's left for me. Tell us what is left for us here. We're tired. I swear we're tired."

    "We want the negotiators (HAMAS) to be hungry for a week. Just for a week. Then they'll know the value of a soul."

    Were those people shilling for Israeli war crimes, or protesting against Hamas ones?

    As per usual their inconvenient voices must be completly erased from the conversation.

    Blaming anyone but Israel is unthinkable for you, and to hell with any Palestine who dares contradict an Irish posters obsessive anti Israel narrative. Their right to live is far inferior to Hamas right to fight their war of liberation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Miniegg


    This shtick you are doing is so disengenous.

    I'm sure loads of Palestinians want Hamas gone, why wouldn't they? Your faux concern for them is gas though, the IDF have routinely bombed/ shot / starved the very same innocent people you are showing so much concern for here, and you not only didn't bat an eyelid - but felt it is your duty to defend it online.

    The list of atrocities against these people is enormous, yet you feel fine to ignore them all and say something so callous as "the population of Gaza will be mostly the same as before the war", a claim that you have plucked out of your a*rse and which shows absolutely no bearing to shocking reports, videos, and stories coming out of Gaza. I suppose at least you didn't tell us the population is growing with a little cartoon - "worst genocide ever", like some of your buddies in this thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,416 ✭✭✭sock.rocker*


    The faux concern grates me more that the support for war crimes.

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