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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,810 ✭✭✭johnnyryan89


    It should but he still plays regularly for Denmark and this is a WC year too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,380 ✭✭✭CantGetNoSleep


    Why not? If Interim spends 150m and is still in 15th because he can only play one system then he should be out, regardless of where those three end up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭crusd


    Because its a cash flow problem at United more than a PSR problem. The Chelsea and Villa deals are balance sheet transactions with no actual cash moving. United actually have some PSR room but due to ongoing debt repayments, player wages commitments and player repayments have very little free cash to execute transfers



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭talla10


    Because currently its the same team as last season except for one signing in and 4/5 players out. Our expectations going forward should be based on the squad we currently have and what they can produce. Some United fans think we have the god given right to be in CL or challenge for titles- This is a slow, painful rebuild and Amorim should be expected to show improvement on last season. Based on the players we have, the deadwood the debt and how transfer window is going top 10 next season is more realistic than top 4



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    Interview in Spanish so not going to link it but damn this kid has some positive attitude!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Two of those players were barely available last season, so why does it matter about them whether we improve or not?

    Asking the United manager to improve on 16th should hardly be controversial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,120 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    It is only July 1st, there will be more players signed.
    Also, there is a massively reduced schedule next season, so hopefully less wear and tear on the squad. More recovery time, more time on the training pitch etc..

    I absolutely do not accept that Top 10 is an acceptable target for the club.

    Top 5 / CL football should be the aim IMO and if we fall slightly short of it then so be it.
    But Top 10? No, not a chance is that good enough as a target.

    This has been our worst ever showing in the PL.
    11 wins we got. 18/19 wins gets you into the conversation for top 6/4 most seasons.
    Newcastle lost 12 and got CL. We lost 18.
    Villa won 19 and Newcastle won 20. Both finished on 66 points.

    It's doable. These are not insurmountable numbers to improve to.

    Going from CL to challenging for the title is a much bigger ask IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭talla10


    Obviously improvement is needed and a reduced fixture list will help- I'm not confident we will get rid of Rashford/Sancho/Antony and until we do we've been told we won't be doing any more business except for Mbuemo or at least the 60 million set aside to sign him.

    It's looking increasingly like we will have much the same squad as last season- Pre season training starts next Monday and ideally we would have our summer targets already signed and rearing to go.

    I just can't see the logic in expecting the same players to suddenly produce much better performances- They've shown their level in last 2/3 years. I hope I'm wrong and United do find form- I just can't see it unless the pace of the transfer window changes very quickly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,700 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    their level the last 3 years is 3rd, 8th and 4 points off top 4 when ETH got sacked.

    so thats the level. amorim should be doing way better with the existing squad. add to that 2 new 10's, a new striker, and way decreased workload he needs to be up challenging around 4th - 6th this season.

    his smile can only get him so far.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭talla10


    To be fair for the last 5/6 games of the season Amorim was targeting EL trophy and fielded weaker teams- Whether we would have won those games had we fielded better teams is up for debate. I like Amorim I think he will come good and get us up there but he needs time to do so. Yes he could abandon his formation and get us better results short term or stick to the system he was hired to implement and take a bit longer for (hopefully) more sustainable success



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,554 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    We should be aiming for 5th. If we fail to achieve it, it should be seen as a failure.

    How big a failure, and who is responsibile would be up for debate. We could also still be 'happy' with that failure having finished 6th, or 7th with a cup and a real show of actually going in the right direction - but I can't agree with setting targets below that level.

    Setting a target of top 10 would be a disgrace, and finishing 10th should see Wilcox and Amorim sacked or under very serious threat of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭Cotts72


    Add to that a competent CM and that team should start producing results. A fluid front 3 of Cunha/Mbuemo and ST with Bruno and an athletic CM that can breakdown attacks and distribute will go along way to improving our output

    As for the ST I don't think Watkins is the guy and would be an underwhelming signing. I accept hes better than what we have but the age concerns me and appears to be alot of money for a 2yr stop gap



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭FrankN1


    Top 5 should be the minimum aim. Anything less is a disaster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,373 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It would be mad to think we'll finish above mid table again this coming season unless they pull multiple rabbits out of the hat between now and August. We are down Rashford, Garna, Sancho, and Antony in attack and have added 1 player to date. Eriksen is gone and needs to be replaced. Evans not that much of a loss to the first team with Yoro and Heaven stepping up.

    After the disastrous season we just had I honestly expected more to be done by now. Getting a single player in with 4/5 on the way is not the way to start a rebuild IMO.

    There's time left in this window but RA has no credit in the bank amd the club really need to get serious about rebuilding this squad. The odd player or two here and there isn't going to move the needle.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    I'd say Amorim is tearing his hair out at how slow the window is moving. He spoke a lot about the club needing to be brave in the summer window and I doubt that pishing around chasing 1 player for a month is what he imagined.

    Be interesting once the pre season starts and he faces some press conferences. He doesn't seem the type to hold back his feelings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Yet another Summer of consistently being crap in the transfer market for the club - both on outgoings and incomings. Will most likely end up in panic the last week of the window.
    Those aiming for 5th next season - need to get ready with pitch forks to try and oust the current ownership structure - cos it aint happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,293 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    Yet another premature overreaction not taking into account the massive challenge involved in having a good window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Why is it a massive challenge for Man United to have a good window?

    Why are you making excuses already?

    The club haven't had anything approaching a good window in well over a decade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,940 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Bayern now rumoured to have an interest in Rashford.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,293 ✭✭✭✭FourFourRED


    There’s a difference between “making excuses” and understanding the reality of the situation.

    You know that missing out on Champions League limits what can be spent. We have signed a player already. £62.5m. They have also committed to offer £55m + £7.5m for Mbuemo. Criticise them for taking too long on this fair enough but it could be done soon and pre-season hasn’t even started. Maybe it won’t get done and maybe they haven’t made progress on an alternative - then criticism about things being “crap” might become more of a justifiable thing to say.

    All of the players who were on loan last season with options for those clubs to sign them, have come back. The clubs didn’t want to buy them. Selling these players is a challenge. Do you not agree? Time and time again people say “X should be sold” - selling underperforming players on massively disproportionate wages is… very difficult. These players need to be sold in order to allow for new ones to come in. This is what makes it difficult.

    “oust the current ownership structure” & “haven’t had anything approaching a good window in 10 years.”

    Last summer was the first window under this structure and I don’t think it compares to what has come in the summers before under Woodward / Arnold - getting Yoro in looks like a great move, Heaven will be a player, Maz was great value. You think people should be calling for them to go?

    It’s just a lack of patience and understanding, and imo, not worth anyone’s time to read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    It's been documented by the Athletic I think that we have 140m before PSR issues, that's not installments either it's the transfer as a whole, Cunha and Mbuemo are taking up a huge chunk of that leaving us needing to sell to buy unless INEOS do something like sponsor us which they won't until Glazers are gone.

    As I said earlier our main 3 sales are being awkward and it's looking like it's going to drag out.

    We'll struggle for top 8 let alone top 5 without 3-4 more transfers after Cunha and Mbeumo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,387 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    The single and only reason the club are in the predicament they are in is because of the actions of the clubs staff responsible for these areas. The PSR issues are ALL the fault of club policy over the past number of years.

    You are genuinely deluded if you believe things will improve under continued Glazer ownership.

    "Lack of patience and understanding" - of course. Thats totally why I think this Summer is a sh1tshow already wrt transfers. I hope I am wrong but the signs are not good.

    I seen nothing from RA last season to suggest that he will do much better with just 3 or 4 new players or in fact that the club are in the position to get 3 or 4 new players - let alone offload some of the seriously overpaid underperformers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,373 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I think 3 or 4 first team players in key areas transforms this team. The issue appears to be unwillingness of the owners to get it done. Sell a car park or two to themselves and that covers at least 2 players. I'm being tongue in cheek here. However, wrangling over installment payments for Mbeumo shows that either we are broke (cash wise) or the penny pinching is going to hurt us badly.

    The talk of identifying targets early and getting business done is just talk for now and this is probably the most important window we've had in years.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭grudgehugger


    First of all, hands up - I am a Liverpool fan.

    The reason for posting here is to that @Mitch Connor is surely right in his post and I can't see how any fan would disagree. Clubs like LFC and Man U can set their sights no lower than CL qualification.

    A Top 10 finish for Utd leaves the door open to two seasons in a row of finishes lower than the worst LFC finish through all of our lean years. We were never lower than 8th end of season - even though it felt a lot worse living through it.

    In Klopp's first full season, we scraped into the last CL position with a win on the last day. The rest is history. Ye need to get CL (and hopefully ye don't).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,066 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    The club were never, ever, ever going to be able to refresh the squad completely this summer. It was never happening and people were saying that since last year. They didn't have the money then, they don't have it now.

    They can add some players but thats it, so they need to be very smart about who they add.

    That still doesn't mean that we should accept the level of performance served up last season. People blaming transfers now are just serving up yet more excuses for the manager.

    If top half is unattainable for Amorim then perhaps we should ask Ten Hag to return, he was able to achieve that meagre goal quite easily with this squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,224 ✭✭✭Iseedeadpixels


    The other clubs above us will also improve their squads, some of you are going to be seriously disappointed early on expecting top 5 with the current crop.

    Onana being a prime example 8th and 15th since he joined.

    No manager is getting us top half with him and Hojlund.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,843 ✭✭✭AidoEirE


    If we were to get Meumbo and a CF and got rid of Sancho and Rashford that would be a great summer for me.

    A CM and GK would be ideal also but not going to happen I think.

    We'd have to outscore our opponents and the goal output the last couple of seasons has been abysmal.

    Long way to go yet, another 2 months of a transfer window.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭Cotts72


    I see no reason as to why we couldn't sign a CM. Vivel's dept is dedicated to improving recruitment and identifying viable targets. Surely this would identify options depending on what budget is available. Granted this summer the likes of Ederson/Wharton aren't likely but could we not look at players like Hackney/Rios or perhaps targets that have been scouted to produce a transfer similar to his time at RP Leipzig. There's also loan options like Douglas Luiz.

    I cant see us spending on a GK due to Onana's status. Yet there are players that can come in to replace Bayinder and potentially oust Onana as No1. Lammens and Lunin are cheap options that fall in that category or you could look at Perri at Lyon who'd be a cheap option with their current financial problems. unfortunately the likes of Chivalier, Carnesecchi and Costa will all command a higher fee



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,025 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Does every player we sign have to be £60m?

    Why can't we get some other deals done? Everything has to be a huge saga. We should just sack the whole scouting network if all they come back with are Cunha and Mbeumo.

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



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