Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

And aren't something like 20% of the workforce on "disability"? We are in as bad a situation as the UK on "disability" with the only difference that we have the dosh to pay for it due to our high tax rate on people who bother their hole working, and the corporate tax fiddles we have in place

Water, sewage and electricity capacity all running on vapour at the minute. Who could have foreseen these issues when increasing the population at breakneck speed. Just build more houses they say ( maybe throw in extra water, wastewater n electricity plants too!)

Until you see they are accommodated in Blackrock and D4 also...

It took forever for the public to finally make the link between the incredibly high levels of immigration and the pressure on infrastructure. Not long ago you might be called a racist if you pointed out the two were linked.

Immigration policy in Ireland in particular and across the EU in general, is desperately flawed. It is impossible to make even medium meaningful forecasts when so many people may or may not arrive.

My sense is that this is widely known now, it will be interesting to see how policy evolves. No matter what happens those who came to adulthood in the last ten years or indeed in the next ten, are going to pay a heavy price for a failed laissez-faire approach to the most serious issue facing the country.

It is baffling that mainstream political parties weren’t insisting that immigration needed to be controlled. Obviously at all times it needs to be controlled, but even as our own population was increasing by a third in 20 years our leaders were sneering at those silly Brits who wanted to limit the number of new arrivals there. Somehow our lads thought property prices would fall into line even as the population soared. Madness.

It seems to take forever though for anyone on here to actually go anywhere beyond scratching the surface on the "supply isn't the issue, population is" argument.

Let's drill into it here. If we switched our entire migrant population in Ireland for our entire community of Irish-born people living abroad, would the housing crisis be solved overnight?

If we dramatically reduce migration — because seemingly it would take a very dramatic reversal of population growth to reverse the housing crisis in your view — is your proposal that this would encourage young people not to emigrate? Because if they don't, doesn't that also increase demand? Or are you proposing that we rely on both a reduction of immigration and hope that young Irish people also continue to emigrate to further relieve prices for those who want to stay?

How do we dramatically reverse or decrease migration? If it poses the socioeconomic threat you seem to believe it does, then what appropriately dramatic measures should we take? What do you see as the downsides of those measures? What needs to be sacrificed?

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-pme/populationandmigrationestimatesapril2024/keyfindings/

This is over a year old, but up until April '24 CSO were estimating population of almost 5.4m in the Republic.

When I read articles like this below from the Irish Times, I feel so angry that our government are doing absolutely nothing to stop the tide

Here we have the Nordic countries (particular Sweden) knowing how much damage immigration has done and they're doing everything in their power to stop the tide while our lot just twiddle their thumbs

Why can't we follow Denmark? No.. This government just rather destroy communities by taking away their only hotels in their locality.

Deportations sites should be set up tomorrow

If we had any kind of legitimate main stream media, they'd be asking all these questions to Government but they just roll over

We've seen what the likes of RTE did to Ryan Caseys victim impact statement. I dont even watch RTE anymore, my confidence in them are shot.

Nordic countries concerned about high levels of migration could join together to set up deportation sites outside the European Union, Danish immigration minister Kaare Dybvad has said.

Mr Dybvad said Asylum seekers whose claims for protection were rejected would be sent to the sites.

EU governments are debating the controversial idea of sending people whose asylum claims have been rejected to “return hubs” outside the bloc’s borders, until they can be repatriated.

The proposal to create deportation hubs, part of an increasingly rightward shift in EU migration policy, has been fiercely criticised by Amnesty International and other humanitarian organisations.

Mr Dybvad said he was hopeful EU states would back the idea. However, a coalition of capitals could move forward on their own, he said.

“I’d rather have it on a European level, but if that’s not possible I think for example in the Nordic countries we could agree on this kind of arrangement,” he said.

The proposal effectively envisages countries in North Africa or the western Balkans hosting deportation sites as part of an agreement made with the EU.

Denmark’s centre-left prime minister Mette Frederiksen has adopted a hard line on asylum, which sets the tone in the government made up of her Social Democrats party and its two liberal coalition partners.

Speaking to journalists in Copenhagen, Mr Dybvad said any deportation facilities the EU set up in countries outside its borders should not become “prisons”.

Mr Dybvad said return hubs would deter migrants from travelling to Europe to seek asylum if their claim for protection had little chance of success.

Makes perfect sense

I think I read a few pages back a poster asking has anyone changed their mind about immigration into Ireland?

I see what this government is doing to this country and I've gotten a lot more hard-line on it and even questioning legal migration when see our small country struggling for housing, healthcare and so forth. There is only so much resources to go around, we cannot cope

Housing housing housing housing, the topic that is at the front of most people including TDs mind (particularly the Left) but the elephant in the room they refuse to admit because it goes against their beliefs that a huge impact to housing supply is inward migration.

When you see queues of people lining up buy ahouse and you find it hard to pick the Irish citizen out, then you know you have big big problems

Alot of countries in Europe have residency rules for people who come from outside Europe but yet a non EU citizen could pop up tomorrow and buy a house in Ireland, it's absolutely bonkers. It's just so on unfair

Once again Denmark is leading the way in this non EU citizens need permission from the Ministry of Justice, especially if they haven't resided there for five years to purchase property

It's no wonder Denmark is always at the top of the list for countries to live in. They care about their citizens

Not a peep out of the Irish times in reporting on this - not surprising, they are cowards and they don’t report anything they don’t want people hearing about

Two agencies providing services to asylum applicants who have been granted permission to remain in Ireland have called on the Minister for Housing and Minister for Justice to work together to prevent thousands more people ending up in homeless services in the coming weeks and months.

It comes following confirmation from the Department of Justice that from tomorrow 2,042 people, including 600 families, will be moved from IPAS, on a phased basis over the coming months.

Charities Crosscare and Depaul work with those seeking international protection in Ireland and those who have legal status.

In a statement this evening, they stated that the risk of homelessness was a direct result of the Department of Justice moving people out of IPAS accommodation having been permitted to remain in Ireland, "even though they have little or no hope of finding alternative accommodation".

Good old RTE pulling at the heart strings, it's just so typical of this organisation.

So from this story am I right in this? These people have been granted Asylum to live in Ireland but are still living in their IPAS accommodation that we the tax payers pay for along with their food, washing etc etc?

Now some local authorities will put them into emergency accommodation, once again our hard earn money going to this and of course this will impact Irish citizens struggling for housing

It's frustrating, it feels like a small number of these people are constantly going to be a drain on society, they'll be living off social welfare but its not all their fault, this once again comes back to this government in granting more and more people asylum in Ireland instead of thinking about the bigger picture.

When is enough enough, the country has only a finite resources, we're struggling.

The Department of Housing has acknowledged that the growth in the number of households being granted international protection or other forms of permission to remain in the State has resulted in local authorities seeing increasing presentations from households who have recently left direct provision accommodation.

Who would of thought ehhhhhhhh