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The 2025 All Ireland Senior Football Championship (Sam Maguire Cup)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,530 ✭✭✭✭km79


    It’s just in them .

    And they know it .

    Which breeds a serious inner belief and confidence!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Westernview


    You can't coach tradition. Even the recent Dublin team were probably not amazing natural footballers overall but they were drilled like army by a great manager. Fully committed, disciplined super athletes following a system of play. Kerry may have been in transition in the middle of that but they always come back at some stage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭C4000


    There should be an onus on rte to give opportunities to some younger commentators. Canning is 74 and Morrissey 66. They just seem to keep people on air forever. Tony O hehir was kept as their racing commentator for years despite being barely able to get his words out anymore.

    Morrisseys commentary is a mixture of incoherent nonsense and repetitive stock phrases.....'is there anyone left in (insert three town names).....I don't think so, they're all in croke park'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Kerry always adapt. To Dublin in 1955. To the loses to Down in the 60s. To the Galway loses in the 60s.

    To Heffo's 1970s Dubs. To Ulster physicality from Tyrone and Armagh in the 00s. They have been written off as out of touch so many times, but they adapt and come back. They bring new tactics, awareness, physicality allied to their skill.

    Plus they're hardier than people think. They always could play it anyway and mix it when required. A hardy people given their War of Independence and Civil War experience.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Ye really had them in Con, Connolly, Fenton etc.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Particularly when pundits are put out to grass like Cyril Farrell, Loughnane, O'Rourke. The new rules are too much for these commentators too.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,503 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Kerry always seem to produce players like that though. And do it with a shrug of the shoulders. When Dublin had a bunch of players like that the Dub fans were in disbelief. Kerry expect it.

    Kerry winning was the one QF result I got wrong. Way wrong at that. My argument was prematch Kerry don’t have the backs. But Jayus after seeing it live, you don’t need backs if the forwards are that good.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭windy shepard henderson


    we have taught the same for years and went close to beating them , its the system they have at club level that works though and very few counties will copy it

    for example when the cliffords reached adult level the club they played for were junior b , if this happened in any other county they wouldnt be playing adult football if they were good at soccer or any other sport , its quiet possible they might not bother playing senior because the club they play for is so far down the pecking order

    because they have the divisional championship it means they can bring through players to senior football from all grades , in clare clubs have lost several players of intercounty standard because they couldnt be arsed continuing with junior or poor intermeatite teams they grew up with some have transferred to other counties or just played hurling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 727 ✭✭✭Tomaldo


    I think some sort of VAR will have to be introduced soon, for contentious goals, penos or red cards. We have Hawk Eye in Croker and Thurles, I think. Video assistance is used in rugby, soccer, cricket and snooker for the miss rule, without spoiling the game. BTW Galway's 2nd goal was also dubious, was it a throw, or picked up off the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    I'm from Kerry.

    We're obsessed.

    We practice in the garden or against the wall from a young age.

    I did it from the age of 10 and I was a "mullicker".

    Clifford wasn't born like that. It's 1000s of hours of practice at home. He obviously has the genetics also.

    If you read Gooch's autobiography, you'll get a sense of how much practice they put in.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    It's bigger than a religion.

    We get brainwashed from birth.

    We're all obsessed.

    All out in the garden from birth pretending to be Gooch or Clifford.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Dublin had brilliant footballers.

    They had everything really. Tough defenders, skilful forwards.

    Athletes in the middle 8.

    Diarmuid Connolly is as talented as anyone to play the sport.

    Con, Brogan, Jack, Kevin Mc.

    All brilliant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,723 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    It's not so much about coaching, it's about learning the skills from a very young age. Look at Micheal's Burns fetch today from.the kickout. You can coach all you like but that skill has to be learned at a young age and the ability to judge the flight of the ball. In other counties you might be coached not to attempt that but to let the other player win the ball abd you get in position to prevent him using that possession.

    Kerry just are adept at the basic skills and heads up football. You learn them skills from 4-12 years of age after that you are coached

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,137 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If Dublin aren't bothered winning Leinster next year Kildare will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭Seadin


    And if one of ye had to replace Gooch or Clifford ye fit right in to the team :-D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Lol no.

    I did all the same practice but was just a mullicker.

    Genetics and natural talent matter also.

    A lot of our great players come from South Kerry also so I think there's something in the water there.

    Even Clifford's dad is from South Kerry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    The Caffrey Dubs suffered big time. While Kerry had Declan O'Sullivan, Gooch, Dara O'Cinnneide, Galvin. They only had Alan Beogan. Bernard developing and the likes of Vaughan, Mossy Quinn, Senan Connell were erratic.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Mentioning Kildare. If the Tailteann is on before Meath v Donegal. Will Kildare fans cheer on Meath?!

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Shooting efficiency in four Quarter finals this weekend


    Kerry 75% Armagh 52%
    Meath 56% Galway 53%
    Tyrone 56% Dublin 45%
    Donegal 77% Monaghan 45%



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Watched this 2007 Dublin v Kerry semi during the week. It was an eye opener and not how I rememberd the game.

    A decent game but my God the sledging and BS, unbelievable change in 18 years. Cluxton wasn't the Cluxton of 2011 on and gave away a ball near the end which decided the game.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Westernview


    They had some excellent players but I still believe Kerry have always had the most natural players. Dublin carefully worked the ball close to the D and eliminated risk as much as possible. They were like a machine comprising highly talented players grinding opppaition down but as I said Kerry were in transition at the time.

    Connolly and Con were natural players but I wouldn't put Brogan, Jack or Kevin Mac in that bracket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,137 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    No, Meath and Kildare fans hate eachother more then they hate Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Kerry were weak in that period and lucky to win in 2014, but we knew talent was coming.

    We've a small population so will always have cycles.

    Not to denigrate the Dub's achievements, but lots of counties were at a low ebb in that period.

    The game is much healthier now.

    I'd like to see other traditional counties like Cork, Down, Kildare, Offaly etc improve also.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Ye've a fair population 156,500. Kilkenny would have 99,000. My own County, Laois 86,000 split fairly evenly between hurling and football. Our population, like Kildare and others is inflated by commuters who don't really contribute to gaa clubs. Mostly those who can't afford houses in Dublin.

    I suppose compared to Cork and Dublin.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭blackvalley


    Just a few comments on what was a great weekend of football.
    Firstly we have to remember that all the entertainment we enjoyed was produced by eighty amateur players most of whom will be back in work licking their wounds tomorrow morning.
    On Donegal v Monaghan I thought Monaghan did really well for the first half until Donegal finally woke up and produced the football that they are capable of. Murphy is inspirational. And that result was what I expected.
    On Dublin and Tyrone I always thought that Tyrone had the edge with the “ dog “ they normally bring to their game and without Dublin having a fully fit “ Con “

    On the two matches today I was absolutely delighted to see a young and upcoming Meath team beat Galway. Having gone ahead in the second half, being pegged back and yet having the resilience to dig in, stem the attack and come back to win will surely stand to this team. They are a fine young side with big skilful players who have a great future. While it hasn’t been mentioned any I don’t know the dynamics of Meath football I suspect that this year’s results for Meath must have been built around the foundation laid by the great Colum O Rourke over the last few years. .
    And finally to Armagh v Kerry . While I thought that in the previously mentioned matches the favourites were likely to win the one favourite I would have put my confirmation money on for a win was Armagh. Not taking from the Kerry performance but where was the McGeeney battle edge that Armagh normally produce. Such insipid defending to allow Seanie O Shey to waltz down the field and score two pointers at will would not be tolerated by McGeeny as a player and I don’t know why he couldn’t adapt a strategy to prevent it. Perhaps “ man marking “ is old hat and not longer cool.
    Anyhow please excuse my ramblings and spelling mistakes and think of those forty loosing players who have to turn up for work in the morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Yeah I don't understand why SOS got so much time and space.

    Everyone knows he's good from distance.

    He's not lightning quick so why not just get close to him.

    It makes no sense.

    Clifford can burn players so defenders stand off him a bit.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They never really got a handle on the Dubs under Gavin and it drove them crazy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,099 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    2019 Kerry were young. Damn near won day 1.

    2023 was harder. I think grief hit DC hard that year for his mam. Hard to defend the title too. It was Dublin's last hurray. Very hungry that day.

    'Where have you gone Joe DiMaggio? A nation turns It's lonely eyes to you.'



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,145 ✭✭✭orangerhyme


    Our population is 15th out of 32 so not too bad.

    The northern counties would have a big protestant population also so their population is less really. For example Tyrone is 66% Catholic so their population of 188,000 is really 124,000 (I know some protestants play GAA, but not many.

    Limerick, Tipp and Wexford are hurling.

    Antrim have no football.

    Galway and Cork are dual counties.

    So in terms of actual Gaelic football population, we might be top 6 or 7 maybe. Not sure really.

    But we lose lots of people as we've no city or university or a real jobs market.

    I think one big difference is that in my day, nearly every boy played GAA and soccer and basketball. And if you were talented, you generally kept playing to Senior.

    So we cast a wide net and don't lose too much talent.



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