Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

In fairness Norms are there for the breaking- especially if they’re not doing society any good - what MAGA are doing is establishing new norms and conventions that suit mainly white Right Wing America- we’ve seen the recently established norm of inclusivity of LGBGT+ somewhat eroded - we’ve also seen the norm of laisse faire to poor working class but non criminal immigrants also eroded - replaced with the norm of intolerance.

It’s a good lesson on how norms can change very quickly in society given just a few set of circumstances. Norms in Ireland took decades to erode and it was a slow journey for tolerance to take hold- but we’re already seen cracks in parts of society and quite a right wing element remerging - sites like boards.ie are very important right now in allowing reasoned debate and discussion.

I was a bit surprised to see that the SCOTUS decision came on the day it shut down it's current law term, bringing any legal motions likely to be presented to SCOTUS to a close. The other obvious effect of the SCOTUS ruling is that it is likely to give Trump the idea that he can use the power to issue E.O's liberally without SCOTUS reining him in.

In line with the latest ruling, there is it's previous ruling on the extent to which the term "Presidential Official Duties" can be stretched by Trump. SCOTUS declined to lay down the parameters outside which Trump [or any other president for that sake] cannot step.

Ref the jurisdictional reach of the rulings and/or orders that the different courts [below SCOTUS], that's something outside my ken so I wont comment on how one court can issue orders that will set aside orders of other courts except to state the obvious; an appeals courts can plainly set aside a bad or malicious order of a different court, as appeals against bad or malicious orders is plainly why the appeals courts were created.

It's why pointing out hypocrisy by the GOP is pointless; they dont care.

Just keep calling them nazis. Not even important ones. Not even worthy of the capital N. Not even the 'just following orders' ones.

Those people are just so braindead and bereft of their own minds that they agree with whatever tf is said by 'daddy'

All the whinging is a bit late now. They all knew what they voted for. I'd imagine millions of tradesmen and their families voted for him but just assumed he fcuk someone else over and not them. These guys work alongside undocumented Latinos every day and heard what he said about them and happily voted for him.

To paraphrase full metal jacket, America is a giant shít sandwich and everyone's gonna have to take a bite.

It's just getting so hard to have any sympathy for Americans these days.

Those tradesmen thought as they were working for themselves, maybe a wee small business, that the pro business candidate was ideal for them (ignoring his first term and his 4 bankruptcies). I'm baffled by the excuse trotted out 'it's not what I voted for'…. yeah it's exactly what you voted for! Now is the time to own it!

“I'd imagine millions of tradesmen and their families voted for him but just assumed he fcuk someone else over and not them.”

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly why they voted for him - they dumped the traditional values of respect for fellow man and honest work for chasing the dollar and promised riches from a snake oil salesman .

He's just fulfilling his campaign promises. I remember that excuse being rolled out on the thread.

Of course, the campaign promise he is fulfilling is to be a racist feathering his own nest.

It couldn't be the campaign promises about fighting cost of living, price of eggs, or anything to do with ordinary people's working lives… because that was an obvious pack of lies from the get go.

On promises. It doesn't matter about the specifics. Foreign wars, inflation, jobs going off shore.

Most people don't understand the complexity behind these.

But they understand feelings. And Trump makes them feel better. He makes them feel like someone is working for them. Speaking their language.

Essentially they are afraid. Afraid of the world changing around them. The same desire to go back to the way it was is in play as it was in Brexit. Some unknown, undefined previous time were everything was better.

And Trump promises that. And while he continually fails to deliver he does continue to attack those that he believes, and therefore they do, for all the problems.

The problem is not that the Iran attack didn't achieve what Trump claimed, the problem is the media hate America and want it to fail.Etc

Only a nation with enormous feeling of self privilege and importance could reelect a bridge burner.

It's not really reported as we in Ireland swim in anglosphere news but the surplus of consumer goods that had been bound for the US are now diverted to Europe and more critically Chinese export licenses for the export of critical refined rare earth materials are favouring EU industry while the US continues to be sidelined.

He is still trying to find third-party countries to accept the people he is expelling from the U.S.

Trump NEVER does things for free….