Hamas strike on Israel

Years ago, I read a very good history book about Stalingrad. There was no discussion about "how powerful" either side was by that historian (beever I think). Read another about Cromwell in Ireland - again, no discussion of how "powerful" God's Executioner was.

Both certainly laid out the politics, strategies and tactics. Both made the futility and cruelty of war crystal clear.

No-one bigged up Cromwell, Stalin or Hitler to the extent the IDF are being bigged up. That book is yet to be written and is unlikely to paint the IDF in a good light.

And by the way - there is a difference between "effective" and "powerful". I'd totally agree - and have said it multiple times now - the IDF are very effective. But that is rather like saying the Nazis were "effective" at Genocide - that certainly is, as you point out, weird and sinister. But that's exactly what you say in your final para.

Using that logic, Hamas were "effective" and "powerful" on Oct 7th. That's weird and sinister.

But no, Hamas are cowards and committed abhorrent atrocities - just like the IDF.

I think I'll wait for some more info on that. Was just surprised that someone would post claim like that, without any backing up or a source, then immediately get the response of Sweet jesus etc... from other poster.

Edit: Just to say that article didn't pick their picture at the top wisely..

Not at all.
But the response appears to attack the post only because the message doesn't suit the narrative being peddled.

Those who big up the IDF really do need to question their own morals.

People nearly forget that the German public were mostly unaware of the Holocaust and Himmler stated at one point in 1943 that the details would never be revealed to them.

Unaware? Are you for real? There are some heaps of rubbish posted here..

Edit: There was Germans, Iranians, Palestinians, Israelis and they still are there, who would like to live in peace and go by their everyday business. You and few others here mentioning WW2 etc., wouldn't have a clue of what was happening on continental europe back in those dark days. All you do is fuelling more hatred into the conflict you haven't got a clue about (nor do I have to say). You haven't have to grow up as Palestinian or Israelite. But that part I've highlighted in your post, that really is pushing! As ignorant as possible on this thread!

Settlers (now a "radical minority" apparently) having a pop at the IDF now - perhaps there were no elderly Palestinian women for them to have a go at. And being in prison, they'll undoubtedly miss their weekly barbq and disco whilst enjoying the live Gaza Genocide.

Six Israeli settlers were arrested overnight into Saturday for allegedly participating in an attack on IDF soldiers near the Palestinian village of Kafr Malik, according to a joint statement from the military and police.

Security officials told Haaretz they believe approximately 40 settlers entered a closed military zone near the village, north of Ramallah, from a newly established outpost. According to a security source, the settlers threw stones at soldiers, beat and choked them and punctured the tires of military vehicles.

The IDF said in a statement that settlers "entered a closed military zone ... and violently assaulted the security forces," calling the attack a "use of violence by a radical minority."

Following the arrest, the Hebrew word for "revenge" was spray-painted on the wall of the Beit El settlement's police station in the West Bank and signs of attempts to set it on fire.

What an odd post

Unaware? Are you for real? There are some heaps of rubbish posted here.

followed up by

… you haven't got a clue about (nor do I have to say)

so why accuse a poster of posting "rubbish" about something you "don't have a clue about"?

The poster you replied to contributes with factual corroborated data - not rubbish.

Besides, I doubt the Nazis were live streaming their atrocities on Tik Tok in the 1940s - like the IDF do in the 2020s.

So it's entirely plausible most Germans had no idea what was going on.

I see the Turkish public broadcaster is reporting on drugs in flour in Gaza plus a few other news outlets.