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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,648 ✭✭✭swampgas


    This obsession with the leader as a father figure seems to be common with authoritarians. I remember reading about the Strict Father Model (in a political context), as described by George Lakoff, and it's the best explanation I've seen for American right wing politics.

    That said, calling another adult "Daddy" seems very weird to me.

    https://newsframes.wordpress.com/2016/12/16/populist-right-strict-father-framing/
    https://truthout.org/articles/the-strict-father-is-at-the-core-of-conservative-ideology-and-values/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Bernie is not my favourite by any means, but "Red Bernie"? He may be left by American standards, but he is more like a Social Democratic centrist in European terms. Don't compare him with Corbyn; do you want to tag a Jew as being anti Semitic, like Zelenskyy?

    Anyhow this is a distraction from the awfulness of Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,323 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    It really isn't possible to have any sort of conversation with people who just throw around words and labels without any understanding of their meaning. You have never made any attempt to read about Marxism, (or Communism, Socialism, etc) or what the political description 'red' implies, but then you try and converse as though you know what you are talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,401 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    To which I'd add; the notion that someone so far on the margins of the Democratic party is somehow "largely responsible" for the party's woes is a pretty extraordinary one. By all means hold the opinion, but if you air such a suprising opinion without offering a justification for it, don't expect to be taken seriously.



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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 8,120 Mod ✭✭✭✭circadian


    I have yet to see any actual evidence of Corbyn being anti-semetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,386 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I don't understand why Bernie Sanders, a man who has repeatedly failed to win the Democratic nomination, gets promoted as if he's some sort of expert on winning elections.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,561 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    That's because there isn't any. The black propaganda smear campaign against Corbyn was one of the most successful that I can remember in modern times. A man who actually has a proven track record of fighting against racism of all kinds is now considered an "antisemite" by a lot of people. Corbyn's mistake was signalling his support for Palestine and for a two state solution in the region and for that he needed to be taken down. So he was branded as "antisemitic", a term which, as we've seen over the last year and a half, is thrown about like confetti and usually with no qualification at all. Thankfully many people have woken up to just how flimsy that accusation is and aren't being duped any more.

    However, the problem is that it has become so overused against people who aren't antisemitic that actual antisemites a sniggering up their sleeves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Securing a presidential nomination is hardly an indication of his ability to win an election.

    He’s been repeatedly elected to vermonts house and senate since 1991 as an independent, and funds his campaigns through small donations, and is considered unwinnable against for the republicans no matter how much they spend - I’d say his electoral record is excellent.

    Getting a DNC presidential nomination as an independent was always going to be a long shot, especially as we’ve seen how poorly the senior members manage that process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭tarvis


    it’s Friday -so what kite will His Majesty fly today - gotta keep in the headlines or realities come into the light.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,350 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    My response [Point taken about fraternal links being unlikely. I was thinking about cocooning a site where the host nation is likely to be unsure about the mix onsite due to it being hammered by heavy munitions and not just a coolant leak. Some-one seems to have suggested to Trump that was what the vehicle crews might have been doing on site after the bombing] to thatsdaft post above refers. Ukraine has actual technical expertise from Chernobyl in that regard.

    In case you didn't understand my [Now did he get that from the Russians or his own people?] reference, it was to Trumps preference for Int briefing he got/gets from Putin's operatives and not his own people in the U.S.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,878 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,386 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If he can't get his own party to back him at that level then I don't see why he should be treated as an authority on what it takes to win a presidential election.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,133 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Margins is generous, he is not even a member of the Democratic Party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Tommybojangles


    Said I'd drop in on this thread every 6 months or so, not disappointed lol

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,350 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The farther left and right you go the more lies you'll hear.

    It's a conversation for a different thread to discuss in full but I don't agree with the suggestion that you hear comparable lies on left and right. And we're a long long way from any portion of the Democratic party being taken over by socialism. The items suggested by the left that are dismissed as socialism would be considered as centrist in most other western countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    jasmine Crockett going after melanias Einstein visa which is only available to people with special skills or achievements.
    None of which she has

    The math ain’t mathing. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,350 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Is there something the NATO Sec General knows that he's not sharing with us?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    Corbyn's demise was the ultimate demonization hatchet job by the Tories, Daily Mail, Express, Sun.

    Although Corbyn made a few idiotic mistakes himself too that gave them all the fodder they needed.

    Hanging out with the PLO being one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,350 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    The Supreme Court has determined today, by a 6/3 decision, that nationwide [federal court] injunctions may have exceeded the scope of executive authority allowing the Trump birth-right citizenship E.O. to take effect in some parts of the country and not others. This situation is likely to review when a full hearing on the merits of the issue [is the Trump E.O. constitutional or not] takes place.

    The SCOTUS ruling means that in parts of the U.S. where FEDERAL COURTS HAVE NOT ISSUED injunctions restricting the Trump Admin from implementing Trumps birth-right E.O., the E.O can take effect BUT that in other parts of the U.S where FEDERAL COURTS HAVE ISSUED injunctions restricting the E.O from taking effect, the Trump E.O. has no legal effect or authority.

    Justice Sotomeyer called the ruling upholding "patently unconstitutional" orders "shameful", that a different administration could use the ruling to take away guns away from Americans or keep them from free worship of religion rights.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,988 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The judiciary has been a little slower to bend to Trump's will than he would have liked, but bending it is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,194 ✭✭✭eire4


    In terms of Sanders own elections he was in congress for 16 years so thats 8 elections and he has won 3 terms since he became a senator. Your contention about his failure to win a Democratic nomination for president is perfectly on point. I think what some (and I include myself) who like his policies overall point out is the corporate Democratic Party has not only never in any meaningful way embraced his policies they have actively worked against people in their own party and continue to do so as we speak if they are seen as being too Bernie like so to speak and well look where that has got the Democratic party and more importantly the US as a country. The point is at least IMHO is that the Democratic Party needs to embrace more of the Sanders agenda not fight against it to be successful and more importantly IMHO this would be a way forward that would be good for most Americans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,527 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Have you seen politicians, they are mostly bland and dour. Whoever the Dems had elected was going to be the worst person in the world regardless. Ron DeSantis was meant to be next President in waiting and Trump defeated him without evening turning up for the debates...

    Anyway it was on the Republican party to stop Trump running. Once he was running he was winning regardless who the Dems put up given the the huge financial and political advantages he had from wall to wall free advertising on tv news and from Musk and rest of social media and of course the disinformation campaign from Putin targeting Dems that hasn't gone away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,988 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The Republican party generally didn't want Trump when he first showed up, either. They didn't get behind him until it became all too clear that he would be the nominee in 2016, and not even then was it unanimous. The story of that party has been, in a sense, the slow purge which has taken place over the last decade to where nary a one will criticise him.

    On the other hand, people are still making excuses for the likes of Sanders that the Democratic machine is against him. It is against him and politicians like him, but if the message is strong enough that shouldn't be a fatal impediment. You can, as Trump has shown, sidestep the machine.

    The system will not produce the antidote to the disease ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,744 ✭✭✭yagan


    I think it's more a social media phenomenon where a massive egotist was able to bypass the established political norms as a anti government president.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    It helps when you have appointed a lot of them to their position



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,795 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    And another tantrum, Carney will love making a mockery of Trump with this.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    “We will let Canada know the Tariff that they will be paying to do business with the United States of America within the next seven day period,”

    erm, can someone please remind me how tariffs work again

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭sliabh 1956


    After the latest ruling by the Supreme Court it seems Trump has an open Goal to shoot at with whatever bits of law he wants to circumnavigate. No wonder he was all smiles and jokes at the press briefing. Scary times for non Nationals in America.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,151 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Trump keeps repeating the lie often enough to fool ignorant Americans. If you try to explain the reality to them they will throw a hissy fit about being lectured to ie pig headedness.

    But reality can only be postponed for so long.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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