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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Ah yeah you'd obviously be looking at both candidates being backed by indies and smaller parties as well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,562 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Casey got his nomination from Limerick, Tipp, Clare and Kerry in 2018. I don't know the make up of those councils to assess whether they might ignore the whips in place and give him a nomination again. If the main parties shut down the Local Authority route as suggested we won't be getting another Casey run, I suspect he'd have an uphill battle.
    He'll have a justifiable right to complain, even though I personally think he's the worst candidate ever to grace the field. Political parties arbitrarily locking people out in fear of losing makes me squeamish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The composition of those local authorities haven't changed much. Last time I think the main parties abstained, rather than voting against his nomination, so much easier to secure the council

    Mind you, was he full of his hate speech before getting his nod the last time? You might see political parties actively trying to stop him this time if they have a clearer view of his motivations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,414 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There realistically isn't the numbers there for two



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I can't see why Pearse Doherty would hurt his own political capital by running for president.

    I still reckon Fianna Fáil would like to run their own candidate. I could see them supporting a combined candidate with FG only if it was a non-political candidate (or if someone like Colum Eastwood ran). If FG run their own party political candidate FF will either run their own or won't run. But wouldn't support.

    Labour, Greens and Aontú running a "right wing candidate". I assume this is a typo and not you being mischievious? Either way, Aontú wouldn't be in agreement with Labour and Greens on anything.

    Soc Dems can't run their own candidate on their own, you'd like them to link up with Labour and Greens (combined they have enough to nominate somebody) but let's see.

    I don't know about Peter Casey, I'd like to think that councillors would have enough cop-on to not give him the airtime.

    And McGregor will be nowhere.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Let's see, they need to get to 20 right?

    Right wing alliance

    Aontú - 2

    Greens - 1

    Labour - 11

    Total 14 - Independents needed - 6.

    The 2 Healy-Raes, 4 Ind.Ireland, and Paul Gogarty is a former Green so would likely be swayed easy enough

    Social democrats have 11, 12 with Eoin Hayes who would be very likely to support a SD candidate such as Shorthall or Murphy

    If they play nice PBP and left wing independents such as Catherine Connolly, Seamus Healy, Brian Stanley and Charles Ward could support them and bring that number to 19, I'm sure there's one other indie they could sway

    EDIT: We seem to have forgotten about the Seanad in all of this, Labour, Greens and Aontú have 4 between them.

    SD have 1 but I'd say Lynn Ruane, Alice Higgins, Frances Black and Eileen Flynn would likely support

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I know he's finance minister in waiting but outside of Pearse Doherty I can't see who else SF would put forward. Gerry Adams maybe but would be a stretch…

    Labour and the Green are right wing parties who put the interests of the wealthy before the interest of their people. Both parties demonstrated as much with their most recent stints in government. Aontú would be much closer in policy in that regard

    Soc Dems are too leftie for either of them so I can't see a combined candidate there either. With that being said they might not be left enough for PBP so I'd watch this space with interest

    As I say, I think Casey got through the last time because the major parties on the councils were abstaining from the votes. I'm also fairly sure he didn't start spouting his nonsense until after the close of nominations and the councils gave their backing. Agreed that the councils should have more sense this time around

    Casey came a distant second last time, but I'd say if FF and FG ran candidates he'd have come 3rd, or possibly lower, so I wouldn't hold out much hope even if he got on the ticket this time

    McGregor, similar to Casey, councils should have more sense and I can't see him getting the numbers in the Dáil either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    Nonsense post. Labour and Greens aren't right. If you think the likes of the Healy Raes and Independent Ireland would support those parties you are strongly mistaken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,289 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That is sheer fantasy. The Greens and Aontu are as far apart as it is possible to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,289 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    One of Michelle O'Neill or John Finucane will be the SF candidate. This ties in with their ridiculous and silly idea to extend the franchise. Will backfire.

    Having a look at the Dail/Oireachtas arithmetic.

    Aontu have 2, Independent Ireland have 4, Lowry, Healy-Raes, V Murphy, Stanley, Toole, Nolan, Mattie McGrath, Grealish, Canney and Moran get you to 17. From the Seanad, Aontu have 1, Conway, Craughwell, Keogan, McDowell, Mullen, Boyhan, which gets you to 24. Could that 24 coalesce around a conservative Catholic anti-immigration figure?

    I am not sure of the politics of all of them, but even if a few drop out, 20 is within reach.

    Labour have 11 TDs and 2 Senators, giving them 13.

    Social Democrats have 11 TDs and 1 Senator, giving them 12.

    Potential supporters include the Greens with 2 Oireachtas members,

    Other left-wing Senators include Black, Clonan, Flynn, Higgins and Ruane.

    Left-wing TDs include 3 PBP, Connolly, Gogarty, Harkin, Heneghan and Healy.

    That gives 40 Oireachtas members, and possibly also the Redress TD as well.

    Possible that two left-wing candidates could get on the ballot.

    Based therefore on the Oireachtas numbers, FF, FG and SF have enough in their own right to nominate. There are enough Oireachtas members to potentially have one conservative right-wing candidate and two left-wing candidates. Ultimately, various egos could prevent such a scenario emerging, but there should be at least one left-wing candidate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    With respect I suggest you look at those parties last stints in govt before calling out my posts as nonsense or fantasy. They are centrist parties at best but right wing in reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Gerry Adams has rules himself out. MON has a job to do in Stormont so I think is an unlikely candidate

    Having a look at the Dail/Oireachtas arithmetic, yes, there probably is enough there for 2 left and one right wing candidate. Can't see SD and Labour agreeing on a candidate mind. SD are actively trying to show they are systematically different to Labour. I can't see 2 left wingers on the ballot either (3 if you include the SF candidate) for fear of splitting the vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,093 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Labour, Aontú and Greens to run a combined right wing candidate - Joan Bruton or Eamon Ryan most likely

    Is that supposed to be some sort of a joke?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    come on now, you re just embarrassing yourself now, ffg rule the roast, theres a long history of this, having a tendency to destroy smaller parties that have formed governments with them, whether they are traditional left or right, but particularly when they are more left leaning, and this is exactly what happened to parties such as the greens and labour, everybody knows this! by having persistent ffg governments, it forces polices more so towards more right leaning sentiments and outcomes, even when more left leaning parties are a part of government



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    the more I hear from Joe Duffy lately I’d say he is definitely “exploring” possible avenues to getting on the ballot paper for the park.

    He’s been “mentioning” his links to different parts of the country, his holidays in cork etc, how he knows remote areas well, this type of thing.

    An effort to show he is not Dublin-centric to potential voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Eamon Ryan is an interesting one. He certainly would have aspirations for high office.

    However - unfortunately for him as the scapegoat for all sorts of policies that are related to environmentalism - he and his advisors must realise he is politically toxic outside affluent areas of Dublin.

    Perhaps a run to highlight and flag green concerns but with little hope for winning?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,289 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 54,741 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Wouldn't vote for Sean Kelly.

    Of all the names mentioned Mairead Mc Guinness is the obvious choice for me …. if she runs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,562 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Perhaps a run to highlight and flag green concerns but with little hope for winning?

    A lot of money to waste for a party on it's uppers in EU and Dáil representation.

    I agree he wouldn't have a hope in hell tbh. The sleeping memes would overwhelm the internet. And I am only half flippant about that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,562 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Kelly's sending out feelers, his backers will be closely watching the reception today's interview gets.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    I’d imagine he is so lacking in self awareness that he’d actually think running would be a good idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    to be fair, the whole green party is largely disconnected from the lives of most, but that could go for most political parties at this stage, and im a greenie myself



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,081 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    FF/FG aren't even particularly right wing. Calling parties reasonably far to the left of them right wing is an utter farce and betrays a complete ignorance of how coalition politics works.

    The idea Aontú and Labour/Greens would coalesce behind the same candidate is so far from the realms of reality it is hard to know what to say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,401 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    its clearly obvious ffg have a traditional center/center right economic leaning, hence why we have such high levels of rent seeking economic activities occurring here, i.e. high levels of corporate and fire sector activities etc. yes both parties have implemented some traditional left leaning policies, particularly in relation to social matters, but theyre generally more right leaning economically.

    due to these dynamics, this has in fact undermined our traditional left leaning parties ideological beliefs and policies, effectively watering them down, particularly when those parties have entered into government with either/and/or with ffg, as the power dynamic is in favor of the main parties under such conditions, i.e. ffg, hence why both have kissed and made up, ultimately forming the one party in most recent times, in an attempt to ultimately block alternative governments from being formed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,671 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Wave of support… 2 seats… Sounds like Aontú alright



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Ryan and his ego have long harboured such aspirations. He announced his intention to seek his party’s nomination for the 2004 election. Given his track record It’s unlikely that 20 Oireachtas members could be found to sign a nomination, much less 4 Councils.

    From his profile on Wikipedia:

    He announced on 13 September 2004, that he intended to seek his party's nomination to be a candidate in the 2004 presidential election. However, when it was announced that the incumbent, Mary McAleese, was seeking a second term he withdrew. His campaign was also hit by his admission of cannabis use, an illegal drug.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Does anyone think Varadkar is eyeing up a run?

    He's in the media all week defending Kneecap, makes me think he's looking the youth vote



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Duffy could have a big impact on the campaign were he to run. He is a very astute individual and a very political animal. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he got a bus load of nominations from FF, while at the same time broadening his appeal by running as an independent of some sort.

    Here is what Martin had to say about him some weeks ago:

    https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=2402288866811985

    And talk of FF supporting a FG party member such as Kelly for the position is nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,083 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    If the so called left and in particular the SDs and Labour wanted someone to rally around they could do worse than nominate Holly Cairns, now that she is old enough to meet the age requirement. I know it would be tough for some in Labour, but she ticks a lot of boxes and would have to be taken seriously.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 38,093 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Neither Joe Duffy nor Eamon Ryan would have a hope in hell, if anyone was daft enough to nominate them

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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