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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    Agree with this, in addition are we certain there was a warrant, I would think there was but alternatively could they just come to agreement with the homeowner? Seems like if an agreement was worked out, then they wouldn't have to bother with a warrant in any case, and then didn't need to provide any evidence to get one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    Gardaí initially speculated that Mike Gaine hadn't gone far and searched the farmyard and slurry tanks- nothing. Then broadened the searches, speculating that if he's not around the farmyard he must be out in the bogs and mountains around the farmyard, called in the army, search and rescue, fire service, hundreds of volunteers, nothing.

    A speculative invasive search of Satchwell's house for Tina over something like 18 hours- nothing.

    Both a complete waste of time, except the speculation in both cases proved to be correct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Regarding another unsolved case, that of Grace Livingstone.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/husband-who-sued-gardai-over-probe-into-wife-grace-livingstones-murder-is-buried/a439950429.html

    Interesting wording in this write-up. I get the strong impression AGS still think it was the husband.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,369 ✭✭✭tibruit


    We`re moving on then are we? Well there`s a surprise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭easy peasy


    For all your talk on here of other people speculating, you have produced nothing yourself. You have no idea what evidence was produced to get the warrant. You have no idea what the witness statements say. As if they just searched the property because the suspect lived there 30 years ago. Give it a rest.

    The Gardai can now hopefully rule out this location going forward, which is probably a relief for the home owners, and move on to other locations.

    I’ve paid more than my fair share of taxes over my lifetime and I’m delighted to hear that this search went ahead. It’s great to hear that active lines of enquiry are being pursued in a case that is a real stain on our nation.


    Can people also stop speculating about whether the house will be returned to its original state. Of course it will. People just love to give out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Crakepottle?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    You have a greater confidence in our judiciary than I do. Judges have been known to grant orders without any evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    We can only go by what the media have reported and it is pretty much that - there was no significant link between this case and the site in the witness statements. The search was speculative as reported by the Irish times. That means they had nothing to suggest this specific site was important.

    One can only hope that the gardai can indeed rule this site out after wasting hundreds of thousands of euro turning it upside down. They'd hardly be that incompetent.

    And questions about the house being returned to the pre search state are valid ones. The State has zero liability to do so and it is the policy of the State Claims Agency to contest these claims relating to search damage. While there is a case by case element to how these are dealt with, if the State does pay it will be both an exception and a monetary payment. The homeowner will almost certainly have to engage contractors themselves to do the work, the guards aren't going to be fitting kitchens for them or supervising others doing same.

    And when they say they are returning the site, it doesn't mean they are reinstating it. It means they are leaving it safe. It will take months for reconstruction and the guards are not hanging around for that.

    All of this in my view is unacceptable. While the guards have a duty to investigate crime, searches like these need to be calibrated against the expected yield. The expectation here, when actually considered rationally, is that nothing useful would be found. Lo and behold, that's exactly what happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Xander10




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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    What's your obsession with this particular property? You'd swear it was your own house by the way you keep going on about it. What an utterly bizarre stick with which to try beating An Garda Síochána.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,143 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Having just recently renovated my own old house I guess I just feel for the owners that have had to suffer this. Like them I guess, I don't know anything about the previous owners and what could be buried under my garden or extension.

    Getting contractors is difficult and expensive, especially good ones and a house renovation project is stressful.

    To see that all undone over the course of a week on a speculative and ultimately but predictably fruitless search must have been gutting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Xander10


    @MrMusician18…That's your own mindset.

    i think anyone owning a property that might hold clues to a murdered woman and help bring closure for her family, would gladly allow the Gardai carry out a search.

    Suggesting the Gardai thrashed the place and would leave it not returned to it's original state in a reasonable timeframe, appears speculative nonsense that you are repeating over and over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭mazdamiatamx5


    Well, again would go with the Radio Espial lads, but they are sceptical of any theory the husband was involved. Decent podcast all the same. I think either yourself or another poster was asking what their expertise is, and tbh I don't know but they seem to have been given access to stuff that isn't ordinarily in the media. They take a good and non-sensational, research based approach. Doesn't mean they're always right of course.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjDxc-GSvH8



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