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Unsolved Irish Mysteries.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    All those digs are just garda PR, to be seen to do something and in case there's another Satchwell in the cupboard



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 179 ✭✭LunaLoo


    Digging up fields and open space yes but im not sure about digging up and wrecking an innocent families home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Crakepottle?


    The house will be restored. It had to be established that there was nothing there. Very stressful for the owners though. Also for the suspect, whether or not he was involved. Though not charged with any offence his identity is now in the public domain. Mud sticks. No closure for Annie's mother. No winners here at all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭bike2wkr




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 906 ✭✭✭csirl


    The outcome doesnt reflect well on the cold case team. Everyone could see it was completely futile. Wrecked an innocent famies house, smeared another family, gave false hope to AMcCs family/friends, wasted significant resources.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    They wouldn't have been damned for not conducting an invasive search that was clearly a shot in the dark. They've wasted so much money on this search that other policing will be impacted. This operation easily cost more than €500k. Strictly speaking the homeowners aren't entitled to compensation either.

    There will need to be better grounds for invasive searches other than the suspect lived there in future. I don't know how anyone can defend the guards here, it's been a **** show from the start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    We don’t know what prompted the search and we also don’t know what was found (Gardai are not stating the outcome for “operational reasons”)- so there may well be “something” found there that could ultimately form part of a prosecution in the future.

    I would imagine such a search would have had required a very serious background story and testimony by a witness or witnesses in order for it to be sanctioned- I’ve blamed the Gardai for a lot between this case the recent Kerry murder and the Bailey investigation - but I’m assuming they know a lot more now than they’re letting on - it doesn’t sound like remains were found but I think “something” was found there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    A warrant for such an invasive search would not be issued for a "shot in the dark"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85 ✭✭Crakepottle?


    I find it very hard to believe that there is no onus on the powers that be to fix up the house. That would be outrageous.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Their release post search stated that "nothing of evidential value was found". Of course that could be tactical misdirection (to what end I can't say), but we have to take it at face value.

    And we do know what prompted the search. Someone withdrew their statement that weakened the individuals alibi. Given the history of their relationship and that their criminologist says bodies tend to be hidden in locations familiar to the perpetrator that seems to be the grounds for the search (so far as we know).



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Trigger


    Where did you see that, all the reports I have read all state that the Garda are not releasing details for operational reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    It would be a bad look if the State had to pay something like a million euro to fix up some drug lords mansion after a search so the policy has been that they do not pay and are not legally liable to pay. It's assessed on case by case basis. If this weren't the case, evidence could be hidden by making a search too expensive.

    In this instance it would go down badly if they didn't fix the house but the homeowners are not legally entitled to repair. They may well have to fight for it.

    They won't be compensated for the distress that they've suffered either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭tibruit


    "And we do know what prompted the search. Someone withdrew their statement that weakened the individuals alibi."

    Much of the early narrative on this thread was that it was the brother who undermined the alibi. I think his recent interview would confirm that that is not correct. I`m not saying that you are wrong but what is your source for saying the alibi is weakened?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I think most people, if they were contacted about a potential body buried in their own home from a murder, would want the search to be carried out tbh, at a minimum you would sleep easier at night. I wouldn't be surprised if there was more distress potentially sleeping above a dead body every night….

    I wouldn't be surprised if the gardai organised with the homeowner to make everything as minimal impact as possible, and promised to make them right ahead of time. The reason for this is clear, they want people to be cooperative in the future to these types of searches, as they are infrequent, but still an inevitability in law enforcement. We're not talking about a criminal mastermind just regular joe's trying to move on in their life. If the gardai left them out of pocket it would be a really, really bad look.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    You are making some unreasonable assumptions imo. If they wanted this to be minimal impact then they would have conducted it before renovations were completed not just after.

    Basically they rolled in and wrecked this house at a time of their choosing to suit themselves. And while it may be the case that the homeowner will get monetary compensation to put the damage right, it will undoubtedly be up to the homeowner to organise contractors to do this work.

    I'd be absolutely livid if they did this to me on what turned out to be speculative grounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭cap.in.hand.


    To find the remains of Annie mccarrick looks like it will be a speculative search...there the facts.…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 606 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    If it is purely speculative, and they went about it in a ham-fisted way then I would agree alright. If they didn't fully compensate them either then that would be a kick in the teeth. I guess we don't know for sure just yet so I'll hold judgement for the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,418 ✭✭✭chooseusername


    The renovations were still a work in progress when the search began, which was why some people assumed the builders had uncovered something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Jayzuz- that’s not good.it sounds like they’re just barking up whatever tree they can find at this point. I can understand why, especially given the Satchwell case, they went this route but you’d think they’d have had a bit more evidence before smashing up someone else’s home, who are not connected in any way with this case



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,880 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    It was stated in the RTE article that the team will remain, "They will remain on site in order to return the site to the current residents." I took from that to mean that they will return it to it's original condition (or close to) but I could be wrong on that.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0624/1520124-search-mccarrick-investigation/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Kimiko 75


    Making some assumptions yourself it appears. I would imagine they were very sensitive to new owners and everything was done to suit both interested parties.

    It's not too long ago that Gardai searched a number of houses in Drogheda, for evidence in the case of missing Kyran Durnin which could only be called speculative as well, do you think they were a big waste?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Did they find anything? Then yes they were a waste.

    Massive destruction to third party property should not be happening on a speculative basis. Gardai should not be gambling taxpayer money when the justification for such searches is so weak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Kimiko 75


    So if a search doesn't find anything it's a waste? But if it does, then it's not a waste?

    So, if they never do a search for anything ever again, there will be no waste. Good idea 😉



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 12,880 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    Every search is a gamble until they find something but if they have a credible reason to think there might be evidence present then they are right to search.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 padraig1963


    Thats the most sensible and level headed of the posts on this matter so far. Too much Garda bashing in others imo, when we haven't a clue what the Guards actually know.

    Once they got the information that we do know of regarding the non alibi of someone, that had the best motive of doing harm against Annie, they had to act on it.

    Of course it has been very disruptive for the current owners but once there was the faintest possibility of a body hidden at the house I agree that they will rest easier now in their home knowing it isn't a burial site. And they themselves would have wanted that determined, however invasive.

    I would go further and hope that the Guards, with the cadaver dogs in tow, visit as many other properties as possible that the suspect had access to back in 1993. What's too lose, bar incurring the wrath of the" I told you so's", that would never say a good thing about the Guards anyway.

    Unfortunately Annie may have ended up buried in the Dublin mountains after all, not because of LM, but by someone close to her. A suspect deflected from proper investigation from the start, probably because of some stupid "boys honour" type, dodgy alibi.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    No, if they never do a search based on speculation and only on a lead then we might not see houses needlessly destroyed.

    From what they've made public they had no link, no statement nothing to suggest any evidence would be found there. No evidence was turned up in prior building works. This was a shot in the dark by a cold case team out of ideas.

    So no, this search should not have happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 Kimiko 75


    You don't know what they have based their searches on, judges don't give out search warrants without evidence.

    According to you, no negative searches should ever have been carried out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I guess that's the nub of the issue "what is a credible reason to search". Of course it will be different for every situation but it must be calibrated against the likely success versus the disruption and destruction it would cause.

    This search was never likely to yield anything useful. AMcC seemingly lived there at some time so unless they found her remains nothing else would be of much if any evidential value.

    Ok so, maybe she was buried there. This is a site that was not suspect before and had other people living there at the time. The site is overlooked by other houses and suspicious activity was not as far as we are aware reported at the time. Construction activities have occurred there since then and there were no reports of anything.

    Given the above, and the only justification they had was the suspect lived there at the time, I don't think they had sufficient grounds for an expensive disruptive invasive search.



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