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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    When the majority of the nation want the regime gone it's easier then it sounds. Could end up Very messy though and a civil war. Iran isn't one homogeneous tribe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,430 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Regime change for a country that size in population and landmass will only be effective from within. An invasion by other countries and specifically the US will cause the exact opposite reaction and push support towards the current regime which is already pretty unpopular however the US is still hated more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Could say the same about the USA and it's MAGA regime.

    In another indictment of the Trump regime the USD did not get the traditional bump as in the past in times of geopolitical uncertainty.

    Not that that matters to Trump as he wants to crater the USD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,812 ✭✭✭✭briany


    In Henry Kissinger, realpolitik, New American Century terms, Iran descending into civil war isn't a bad outcome. We ordinary people look at it as a bad outcome because of the humanitarian consequences and so on, but military strategists just see it as another country that can no longer antagonise its allies because it's too busy fighting with itself, a la Syria.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    His choices of locations for his hollybops is also limited for fear of ending up having to snuggle up in a cell with Duterte in The Hague.

    And god forbid that even after choosing a "sympathetic" destination that his aircraft develops a technical fault and has to make an emergency landing en route…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,165 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Ahahahah..

    1000011983.jpg

    You see.. Anderson is gay, so... Get this! Trump calls him "Allison". Ahahaha! Isn't that absolutely hilarious?? Even Oscar Wilde would be envious of his sharp wit.

    He is a petty, pathetic, weak f**king bully.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    And like Syria the powers that be will try to manipulate a desirable outcome after the civil war.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,292 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It's just a simple test by Iran to see what they are up against in my opinion.

    I said yesterday that Iran will attack all gulf states with ties to the US.

    They'll definitely do that.

    Lots of people really underestimate countries in other parts of the world. Iran have been at war with somebody or something all through the centuries and they've won most of them.

    They've got three of the worst terrorist organisations in the world on their side in the Houthis, Hamas and the Hezbollah.

    If they can't get there through the air or by sea then you'll see important buildings blowing up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭halkar


    This was the outcome of replacing a dictator with a terrorist. This happened yesterday. Iraq and Libya still haven't recovered from democracy west brought them. No point commenting on Afghanistan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,747 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Will this be openly admitted by both sides? Was it re Iran's 'retaliation' over Solemani? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose from Iran's POV, even though most of their people would probably suspect this anyway?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,812 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The US/Israel have shown that they have the potential to hit any prominent Iranian at any time they wish with the targeted strikes they've already done. I'm not sure the tippy top of the Iranian government want to continue with their antagonism and put that crosshair on themselves.

    As for trying to find out what they're up against, they should know by now that the US and allies are in possession of air defence of a quality sufficient to protect against Iranian rocket attacks.

    If the Iranians want to get even, they'll have to box a bit more cleverly than lobbing rockets around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Israel is using starvation right now as a weapon, and they don't make your terror list?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,045 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    He was naming terrorist groups who are on the same side as Iran. Israel are obviously not on the same side as Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Interesting piece of maths. Everyone 1 Million dollar missile Iran launches Israel spends 4 Million worth of interceptor missiles. Interestingly the maths is even more stark for the US carrier that was stationed off Yemen when the cost of simply being there is also factored in on a per day basis. They were using expensive interceptor missiles at such a rapid rate that they had to pull their aircraft carrier out of range of cheap drones.

    That Ukranian attack from the back of a truck deep within Russia that destroyed so much of the Russian bomber fleet has every expensive military in the world sitting up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,274 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Some people think Israel are the only terrorists now, all the other classical terrorist groups got an amnesty since they want to destroy terrorist Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Some people define a terrorist as being the side with the smaller arsenal, Putin against Ukraine, Israel against Palestinian civilians, the USA against Afghanistani goat herders etc…

    The Brits no doubt called Washington and his lot terrorists. Coincidently those in the 13 colonies that continued to fight for Britain were called Loyalists by the republicans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,903 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They were always neutered. The idea they were a legitimate threat to Israel was nonsense never mind taking on America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭Maxface


    It is unreal how one person can literally ruin the entire reputation of a country in such a short space of time. I saw an article today about the EU concerned that the US could turn off our internet, another that countries in the EU are looking to bring their gold back to their own countries due to concerns around it being withheld, a different one about requests for social media handles for previous 5 years, if you want to head over there and one about the US contacting companies in Ireland about DEI practises. All very negative and all very Un-American.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,558 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    The idea they were a legitimate threat to Israel was nonsense

    Israels whole reason for starting this was that they were. I tend to agree with you though, this was just Israel playing Trump to get them to bomb Iran and try tempt them into a proper war.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,292 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm of the opinion that the smart move is to keep assassinating the leaders of Israel until some guy comes along who decides that peace is the way forward.

    I despise Israel and all the despicable, atrocious things they've done. I'm not sure atrocious and despicable are strong enough words for a lot of what they've done.

    I didn't call them a terrorist organisation because it's actually a country.

    Of course the United Nations are responsible for this, coming up with the great idea that taking over Arab territory and making it a Jewish country was a good idea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Well the Zionists assassinated the last Israeli leader who wasn't opposed to a two state solution settlement.

    There's secular Israeli's and Israeli citizens who identify as Palestinian who don't agree with their current government.

    Perhaps the next coup could be there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭tarvis


    over 700 hundred lives lost in Iran since last week’s attack by Israel - for what - for whom?

    Token strikes at Qatar today with everyone pre warned - for what - for whom.?

    Meanwhile tho’ not new worthy today the brutality against the remaining Gazans continues and Ukraine is under nightly deadly attack -

    It all stinks to high heaven and it’s not over yet-

    Peace Mr Trump ???

    It begins and ends with you, Netanyahu and Putin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,784 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Trump is goading Iran now by calling their response weak and thanking them for giving the early warning.

    The guy is trying to draw them into a full war.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Or they're testing him knowing that the US is running low on military stock replenishment since the Chinese export ban of refined rare earth materials.

    Every cheap missile or drone Iran sends up costs 4 millions dollars to knock down. Cheap drones have made defense more expensive than attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Iran hasn't really being using drones to attack Israel as they not very effective over the distance.

    The missiles Iran have been launching are between $3 million and $8 million each. Certainty not cheap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Have you got a link for that as I posted a link to a Washington Post article yesterday here stating that a lot of the missiles that got through Iron dome cost only a million compared to the 4 million needed to counter.

    Cheap drones can be used to used to hit the US bases in the gulf and were such an expensive threat for the US that they moved the fleet out of their range.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,088 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Maybe I'm being a tad optimistic but it seems there has been a degree of coordination in the US/Iran martial dance-steps over the past two days.

    US bombs Iran's nuclear sites after giving 2 days advance notice, possibly whatever likely fissionable material in Iran's sites was taken for safety to another location before the B2 Bombers delivered their payload. Iran slow-responds by firing rockets at USAF bases in neighbouring Arab countries after giving the Govts of the countries advance notice, rockets shot down. Israel is then allowed hit up the approach routes to the bombed Iranian sites to make them impassable by road. Honour satisfied and no nuclear catastrophe. Trump even reduces the volume.

    I wouldn't be too minded about negative headlines of what Trump said about the sites being destroyed. They are out of commission and he can advise the reporters to visit the sites for confirmation [if they choose to] given the nature of the produce of the sites.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,352 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Let's make it perfectly clear at this stage, Trump is a warmonger. He is not going to accomplish a regime change in Iran and historically the US attempting to do so tends to end badly. If he really wants to pursue putting troops on the ground that will go very badly for him.



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