Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

This isn't strictly true.

The US produces a lot of oil but they produce mostly the wrong type of oil for their own needs. The US was built to run on crude, their refineries were built to process crude whilst they produce mainly tight oil or shale by way of the Permian. What they produce goes into the global market and whilst on paper it looks as though they are energy independent they actually aren't and its not a simple job to change over.

And you won't get an answer to this. Because you can't argue that Iran don't want or are not trying to build nukes if you acknowledge this fact. The biggest red flag is the lack of cooperation with the IAEA. I couldn't think of anything more dangerous then Islamic ideologues who want to destroy the only Jewish nation getting their hands on nukes.

@aloyisious I've no doubt they've been moved to another site in Iran and I've no doubt it's been tracked by satellites. I've no idea what happens next. Iran should turn it over to the IAEA.

https://truthout.org/articles/iaea-head-we-did-not-have-any-proof-of-iran-building-nuclear-weapon/

International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Rafael Grossi said that, while it is possible that there are operations being kept secret from regulators, reports that Iran has not been actively pursuing a nuclear weapon since 2003 are accurate.

Those claiming to know exact details about Iran moving toward a nuclear weapon are engaging in “speculation,”

"…we did not have any proof of a systematic effort to move into a nuclear weapon."

Even the US has asserted that the Iranians weren't building a weapon. Just back in March, Tulsi Gabbard said the US “continue to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon.”

https://truthout.org/articles/trump-i-dont-care-that-us-has-assessed-iran-is-not-pursuing-nuclear-weapon/

China actually the greatest destroyer of oil demand.

If the US doesn't care, why are they asking China to speak with Iran?

You must be aware that oil is traded globally and if the straights are closed, it means the price of US oil will also increase worldwide. The US won't be shielded by the price increases, so they the US would care.

I don't think the Iranians pussyfooting on this has done them any favours. When it comes to nuclear politics, maybe it's always going to be a delicate game of brinkmanship, but they'll look back on this and just wish they'd gone for a bomb years ago. As the world tips back to 'might is right' international politics, have a decent stockpile of nukes could be the only way to guarantee your territorial integrity. Look what it's done for North Korea.

The Iranians appear to have little else in the way of hard power, anyway. Their air force looks to be a complete joke.

I’m sure too that The US military we’re peppering to try out it’s new ‘TOY’ on a regime that has little chance of responding - at least directly

With the help of the great clueless orange one who is only too happy to stomp on and destroy the contents of the global china shop.

Netanahyu got 28 standing ovations in a joint sitting of the US congress and senate while the IDF were murdering civilians indiscriminately.

I don't believe in a Jewish conspiracy either, but it's hard not to acknowledge that there's a dangerous "promised land" symbiotic relationship betwixt Israel and the USA.

Trump moving the US embassy to Jerusalem during his first term effectively withdrew the US support for any two state solution.

If anything, it's a Christian conspiracy whereby conservative American Christians appear to believe quite strongly in a powerful Israel. I think it was Michael Clarke the other week who said that they believe the final judgement can only occur, and heaven and earth be reunited, when the Jewish people are back in the holy land. He quoted that text that Huckabee sent to Trump about it,

“Mr. President, God spared you in Butler, PA. to be the most consequential President in a century — maybe ever. The decisions on your shoulders I would not want to be made by anyone else. You have many voices speaking to you Sir, but there is only ONE voice that matters. HIS voice. I am your appointed servant in this land and am available for you but I do not try to get in your presence often because I trust your instincts. No President in my lifetime has been in a position like yours. Not since Truman in 1945. I don’t reach out to persuade you. Only to encourage you. I believe you will hear from heaven and that voice is far more important than mine or ANYONE else’s.

You sent me to Israel to be your eyes, ears and voice and to make sure our flag flies above our embassy. My job is to be the last one to leave. I will not abandon this post. Our flag will not come down! You did not seek the moment. This moment sought You! It is my honor to serve you!”

https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/06/terrifying-expletive-trump-shares-text-saying-god-will-direct-him-amid-iran-war.html

I'm sure there are also Jewish businesspeople of a strong and uncompromising Zionist worldview and who have the money to influence political outcomes, but I don't think they're the main thrust of it by any means. And there are also prominent Jewish people who decry what the modern state of Israel does.

Despite a visible movement in the United States that speaks out against the human rights abuses and general crimes of Netanyahu's government, it would appear that the general US public is still considerably more pro-Israel than not. You only have to look at how fractured Kamala Harris's messaging was on her support for Israel, trying to speak out of both sides of her mouth, to see that even the alternative to Trump still had to toe the line on the subject.

I guess we'll see but I read analysis how they've still got a lot of shorter range cruise missiles which could be used to target American bases so they could kick up a fuss yet.

I don't think going for it earlier would have worked. Western intelligence and mossad would have known and if they went for it pre Iraq/Afghanistan America might have pulled the Iraq stunt but on them instead.

It's funny, or maybe not funny, how a country that's massively stocked with nuclear warheads is so against another country having them.

So trump finally noticed that Russia makes nuclear threats literally every day?

It's simple enough.

Trump wants America to have the most weapons, the greatest weapons, more weapons than you've ever seen, nobody has ever had as many weapons than we do, and they are the biggest, so big.

Iran just tried to bomb a US base in Qatar, will MAGA still say the US isn't at war and Trump is the president of peace?