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Israel Launches strike against Irans Nuclear Programme

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,481 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Where are those protests? How are you extrapolating from them that 'we have a world supporting Hamas and Iran' or are you just engaging in hyperbole. What we do know is the US have once again broken international law, illegally bombed a sovereign country and that terrorism has been supported by the UK, France, Germany and the psycho that is Von Der Leyen even Zelensky true to form has been terrible on it - that is far more concerning given their power than any protest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,546 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,633 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    So one protest.

    I can’t find anything about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,607 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Before this war Iran was becoming. A more moderate society. In terms of local politicans of course the government is still run by Muslim extremists Israel must have agents in Iran they seem to know exactly where the to military commanders live and target them with bombs

    No other countrys are offering Iran nuclear warheads this war could end up leaving Israel in grave danger with most of it's defensive munitions used up one missile costs a million dollars and of course war is not good for the economy civilians are getting tired of sleeping in bunkers or car parks underground

    America has a mediocre record in regard to regime change



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    A mediocre record?

    You are aware I presume how the Islamic revolution occurred in the first place?

    The freedom loving, democracy promoting, good ol USA has helped overthrow several democratically elected governments, including in Iran. In Iran the democratic government was replaced by the grandfather of the man they seek now to impose on the Iranian people, the crown prince.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,147 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Normally Iran's proxies would be raining missiles into Israel now (Iran's key deterrent) - note how they are silent and immobile.

    This was Israel's plan all along - to hamstring or obliterate Hamas, the Houthi's and Hezbollah, then make the move on Iran. Apart from cutting their own throat by closing the Straits, or pulling off near suicidal attacks on US bases, there's not much else Iran can do. Plus Israel have the skies and can continue to whittle down Iran's missile abilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123571630#Comment_123571630

    Thank you.

    There's one thing that strikes me straight away

    survey polled a representative sample of 1,005 Jewish

    That's very little sample isn't it. But I have to admit I know very little when it comes to polls. Also saw this opinion article on haaretz and fair play to them it was published in connection to the survey you've linked.

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-06-04/ty-article-opinion/.premium/do-82-of-israelis-really-back-expulsion-of-gazans-the-data-tells-a-different-story/00000197-39da-da41-a9f7-3dde468d0000

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,546 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    And what then, do they occupy Iran? or just turn it into a failed state so it can become the next Somalia or Syria or Afghanistan?

    Do they really think they'll be safer having 90 million people in roving bands of religious extremists and warlords, with a massive grudge against Israel and the western world?

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    As long as they can control the supply of Iranian energy to China I doubt they will care what happens on the ground.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭halkar


    I think Israeli regime will change before Iran's. Iran just sending about 20 missiles a day now to multiple locations in Israel. It doesn't matter for them how many gets through. If they continue with this trend and if they have 2000 missiles left they can keep Israel in bunkers for 100 days. This will damage Israel's economy and will piss of Israelis. It will also further weaken iron dome which is already suffering. Bibi know this and this is why he is trying to get US involve more. They can't keep up bombing Iran daily with the cost of millions, billions dollars. Biggest mistake Iran may do right now is to attack US. This is what bibi is betting on and if it backfires era of bibi will be over soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,546 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    1000 people is pretty standard for an opinion poll

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,546 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Do they think they can control the oil supply to China without the chinese doing something to redress that?

    If they thought Iranians supplying some rockets to Hezbollah was bad, wait until they see the weapons China has and how fast they can manufacture and supply them. 90 million pissed off Iranians with an unlimited supply of weapons from China seems like a bad outcome for Israel and anyone who decides to take their side in this conflict.

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭pureza


    The US would then just tell China to feck off with all that debt they own,do you seriously think China cares enough about Iran to forget about America?

    They don’t


    By the way,I put Trumps talk of regime change into the same category as his annexing Canada and Greenland ie it’s just Trump trolling ,he likes doing that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,605 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    That I didn't know, looked it up and it seems to be correct between 1000 to 2000. Again I know absolutely nothing about polling, so I'm getting educated on that front as we speak, it's still way too little sample for me to be relying on those findings.

    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭pureza


    It’s a tried and trusted statistical device that’s been used for tens of decades



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,106 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The bombing of Israel is getting surprisingly little coverage right now - twenty separate missile attacks since Friday of last week and multiple impacts across the country (I saw someone saying yesterday there are six air raid alerts a day in Tel Aviv). If the Iranians are boxing clever, they would refuse to get sucked into a war with the US and just keep on bombing Israeli targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    1000 can be a representative sample, it depends on size of total population and whether those performing the pool correctly sampled across demographics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,533 ✭✭✭combat14


    Iran's regime under pressure::

    Iran's supreme leader asks for Putin's help

    Iran's foreign minister has taken a letter from Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei to hand to Vladimir Putin on his visit to Moscow today.

    The letter seeks Putin's support, a senior source told Reuters.

    Iran has not been impressed with Russia's support so far and the country wants Putin to do more to back it against Israel and the United States, Iranian sources said.

    The sources did not elaborate on what assistance Tehran wanted.

    Russia, a longstanding ally of Tehran, plays a role in Iran's nuclear negotiations with the West as a veto-wielding UN Security Council member and a signatory to an earlier nuclear deal Trump abandoned during his first term in 2018.

    Putin has offered to mediate between the United States and Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,546 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Nobody 'knows' what will happen next, there are lots and lots of permutations.

    Trump talking about regime change may be bluster, but it has consequences. Iran are being very restrained in their response for now. Because they're trying to limit the damage. If the Iranians feel that they're under existential threat, then there is no longer any restraint, they could do anything. When a nation is under attack from outside belligerent forces, it is much more dangerous. All of the resources of that state get diverted to the war effort

    China will act in their own best interest, but what they believe is in their best interest depends on how they feel the next few years will play out. Trump, Putin and Netanyahu are making the world much more unstable. China have their own ambitions and will be looking at how they can use this for their own benefit.

    If I was Taiwanese, I'd be getting very nervous right now.

    https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2025/06/23/2003839101

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Iran rejected a Russian offer of a defence pact earlier. The Iranians are cooperating with Russia through BRICS and because of their isolation from the west through sanctions etc but Iran and Russia have long been regional adversaries.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,454 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Israeli foreign minister said Iran should stop 'targeting civilians'. A bit rich FFS.

    https://x.com/gidonsaar/status/1937083300373541216



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,280 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    Even if Bibi goes it won’t solve the general problem. It’s been fairly taking so far that there doesn’t ahead to be any really momentum in the form of demonstrations it reported opposition to what the Israeli administration is doing in Gaza and, now, Iran. From that I’d say it back up the survey posted earlier.

    Israel is a canker in the region. Supplied and backed by the US regardless of what they do. Zionist doctrine has turned the place into a Jewish surprise state with eyes on annexation of its neighbours. This isn’t a Jewish problem. Within Israel there are those who don’t support this but aren’t in numbers large enough to be heard. Israel now is acting no differently to 1930s era Germany Softening up any opposition and preparing or openly involved in annexation efforts because anyone who isn’t Israeli isn’t a full person

    Talking of regime change, Israel needs it badly Not only does Bibi need to go but Likud needs to be decimated Only then can change start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,130 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The US has been tricked into another forever war by Netanarsehole. 'Just one strike Donald, the people will love you for it, you will be the most popular and respected president in US history - Just one strike, I promise.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,279 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Fair point on the tactical nukes. A combination lock isn't a PAL 😉 I should've accounted for those accurately.

    That said, I'd wasn't just a "few hundred" strategic nukes either, it was between 1700 to 1900. Now the Ukrainians did have a couple of hundred ICBM which would have mounted multiple MIRV warheads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,446 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    It seems to me that Iran has little choice at this point but to do a deal with Trump and they are just going through the motions now on the path from denial to acceptance.

    I doubt anyone doesn't accept that the Iranian regime has been totally humiliated.

    All goes back to the October 7th 2023 attack ultimately. The more things evolve the more it's obvious what a stupid and suicidal decision it was to do that for Iran and it's proxies. They destroyed themselves and condemned the Palestinians to what they are suffering now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    That people refer to Hamas as an Iranian proxy shows how successful propaganda has been.
    It’s unusual for a “proxy” to be fighting on a different side to you in a major regional conflict like Syria, no?

    The consequences for Iran are stark. The consequences for the role and legitimacy of the west especially among the emerging global south is starker.
    Ethnic cleansing, genocide, attacks on sovereign states, attempts at regime change. All now legitimate and defended by the US and EU.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The US don't want to make a deal. They tore up the last deal, allowed Israel to kill Iranian negotiators, and now have publically claimed they support regime change in Iran.

    There is no backing down from this, just more and more destruction coming soon. More missiles at tel Aviv, more missiles at Tehran, more missiles at US bases in Kurdistan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭ballyharpat


    Are you for real??? So the fact that Palestinians have been attacked, killed- women and children, at will by Israhell , not to mention had embargoes and could not go about their business freely, had nothing to do with this? it all started October 7? thank you for that- go back to sleep now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,425 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I've noticed that seems to be the "new" thing, that Iran's govt. was implicated more directly in Oct. 7th. attacks.

    I don't think I have heard it being said at all before Israel started its (all out) war with Iran. Is there evidence beyond fact that they were funding and supported + armed Hamas, Hezbollah etc.?

    I suppose the nuclear/WMD threat isn't enough and now we'll need some more justifications if the war must be extended into bombing Iran's cities over a period of weeks/months, and trying to cause the mullahs to fall.

    Some "deal" with Trump to sort it, is that a joke? it's amazing the way the US is so powerful (in a military sense especially) and of course well able to go and blow stuff up if the President/Mad King orders it but ultimately it's like a headless chicken right now (i.e. no brain).



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