Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

How do you know if they're telling the truth? What detention centres? Would take us 20 years to build one.

Switz is processing claims from four countries in 24 hours:

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/sem/aktuell/24h-verfahren.html

See below, translated:

**Federal Department of Justice and Police FDJP
State Secretariat for Migration SEM
Fact sheet
24‑Hour Procedure for Alleviating the Asylum System**

1. Context
In 2023, 6,153 individuals from a North African country (Algeria, Morocco, Libya, and Tunisia) registered at a Federal Asylum Centre (FAC), representing 22% of all arrivals to these centres. During the same period, only 14 nationals from these countries were granted a right to stay in Switzerland (either provisional admission or asylum). Approximately 10% of asylum applications in 2023 from Maghreb countries were assessed under the national procedure—with applicants ultimately expelled to their home country—57% were found to fall under another Dublin state’s responsibility (according to the Asylum Act or the Federal Act on Foreign Nationals and Integration), and 9% of applicants withdrew their applications. The remaining cases were formally closed without issuing a decision sem.admin.ch+2sem.admin.ch+2sem.admin.ch+2.

Furthermore, 64% of security-related incidents at FACs involved applicants from the Maghreb. Outside FACs, these individuals more often re-offend for criminal acts than asylum seekers from other countries. Arrests, investigations, and convictions failed to deter these repeat offenders, who committed mostly minor crimes such as shoplifting, handbag theft, pickpocketing, and car break-ins. These intensive offenders constitute a minority among North African asylum seekers sem.admin.ch+1sem.admin.ch+1.

2. 24‑Hour Procedure: overview of the Zurich pilot project
The 24‑hour procedure was introduced with two main objectives: firstly, to promptly inform applicants from countries with very low asylum acceptance rates about their chances of success; and secondly, to accelerate the asylum procedure itself.

In the Zurich Asylum Region, this procedure has been applied since 10 November 2023 as part of a pilot project running until the end of February 2024, for individuals from the Maghreb (Algeria, Libya, Morocco, and Tunisia) who arrive at the Zurich FAC on weekends sem.admin.chsem.admin.ch+2sem.admin.ch+2sem.admin.ch+2. Interim results include:

• Since its introduction, the number of Maghreb applicants at Zurich’s FAC has declined by over 50%, while numbers in other FACs have barely changed.
• Completing key procedural steps within 24 hours has significantly reduced the overall average processing time—especially compared to other asylum regions not yet using the 24‑hour procedure.
• Affected individuals are more willing to engage in interviews early in the process, facilitating SEM interviews and legal aid providers. Those open to returning are identified sooner and quickly connected with return counselling.
• Most importantly, individuals experience less uncertainty: thanks to the accelerated schedule, applicants are informed the day after registration about further steps and promptly receive the outcome after completion sem.admin.ch+1sem.admin.ch+1sem.admin.ch+1sem.admin.ch+1.

3. Rule-of-law compliance of the 24‑Hour Procedure
The 24‑hour procedure introduces no substantive changes to how asylum applications are assessed. Compliance with the rule of law and constitutional rights—such as the right to be heard and the right to appeal—is fully maintained. The process mirrors standard procedure, only faster. As usual, applicants are legally represented from the start by the provider for legal aid, unless they explicitly waive representation (which has not occurred in the Zurich pilot). Legal counsel accompany applicants to SEM interviews. Case investigations are as thorough as in standard procedure; if open questions remain, all available investigative measures are applied. Where relevant, a nationality analysis interview takes place the next day. If certain clarifications cannot be completed within 24 hours, the case transitions back into the standard procedure .

To date, no legal counsel have lodged appeals against 24‑hour procedure decisions on inadmissibility or on the substance. Since November 2023, seven SEM decisions under the 24‑hour procedure have been appealed—either independently by the applicant or through legal representation—at the Federal Administrative Court (FAC). All SEM decisions were upheld by the FAC, which specifically found no violation of procedural guarantees .

Could we try something like this, with a target of a week, instead of 24 hours?

Sure there are genuine refugees.

But anyone who destroys their passport and refuses to say who they are isn't one.

As to your last point I give a lot of thought to the immigration question.

Maybe it's time the government did the same.

90% of AS come through Northern Ireland.

They aren't just after fleeing war-torn countries.

They travel through other countries first.

Here is one suggestion.

Ask Hungary, Portugal, Denmark, Poland, Sweden what they do differently from us, that leads them to have way less applications.

Anyone who travels through multiple safe countries to get to the one with the best welfare benefits isn’t a genuine refugee in my eyes and the eyes of many others.

McEntee is a cabinet minister right now.

She has not left office.

🤣

No they didn't say that.

McEntee is currently a cabinet minister and the minister for health and the deputy leader of the fine Gael party.

She has in no way left office.

And deputy O'Gorman was never the minister for justice.

That post was just an excuse for posters here to to blame left parties as usual while ignoring the sitting government.

The very same minister (McEntee) sits as a key decision maker at the government cabinet table. Still having a major impact on immigration policy of the state.

Lets blame the people responsible for the policy decisions!

Deputy O'Gorman never held the justice seal and he has in the same post also left office. So it cannot be a reference to the justice ministry.

Only applications from four countries, where acceptance rates from those four countries are already low.

And is was a pilot project, which was successful.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home/sem/aktuell/24h-verfahren.html

What happens to them after a week? Could take many months to figure out who someone is and get them some kind of travel documents.

No ID. Could be from anywhere.

They have to claim to be from somewhere, ID or not. If nothing they say can be substantiated, why should they have liberty in our country? They're free to leave the country any time they like.

This **** is the reason Rwanda type arrangements become attractive.

They got here without ID, they're clearly very industrious, they'll figure it out