Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie
Help Keep Boards Alive. Support us by going ad free today. See here: https://subscriptions.boards.ie/.
If we do not hit our goal we will be forced to close the site.

Current status: https://keepboardsalive.com/

Annual subs are best for most impact. If you are still undecided on going Ad Free - you can also donate using the Paypal Donate option. All contribution helps. Thank you.

Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 14/08/25*

1225226228230231321

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭Paddy_Mag


    And in the meantime we spend billions on them.

    If they get rejected, all state supports should be cut after 4 weeks and if they wish to appeal they need to do so having left the country voluntarily



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭kabakuyu




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    And there is your problem, you cannot run Immigration, Security and Justice/Policing on empathy and compassion, if you do every chancer out there sees it as a weakness and exploits it to their own advantage. When it comes to the areas I have mentioned the rules have to tough and strictly enforced with no wiggle room at all for empathy or compassion. Either you meet the criteria or you don't and if you don't then you are not getting it. Look at the problem that has been caused by empathy and compassion especially with the last pathetic Justice minister, you have every tom, dick and harry turning up at our door with all sorts of sob stories, chancing their arm and totally over running the system.

    It is the same story with our own scumbags walking around with a charge sheet as long as your body and you have people saying all they need is a hug, when the scumbags will laugh at that and take advantage of it.

    I'm not saying you can't have empathy and compassion or what ever else you want, you can, but the people incharge of the areas I have mentioned can't, they need to be hard nosed and clear and leave no wiggle room. You can bet if we had stricter controls, more basic accommodation and applicants not allowed leave the centres they are in till their claims are processed, we would not see as many trying to get here. In no way should anyone who is waiting on a decision on whether they are allowed enter the country and stay should be let roam around. It's madness



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I love the responses. LOVE THEM. Thanks lads.

    I have spent this entire thread complaining that asylum claims take too long and deportations should happen quicker. That’s the solution to all of this.

    But while we’re working through the process, I believe in treating people with compassion. It’s absolutely insane that this is a controversial point to make.

    In summary the responses are “treat them like animals, it’ll stop more coming.” There is no reason to ever treat people like animals.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭Floppybits




  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Ah so the only response you have is hyperbole. No one said treat them like animals, just tighten the rules and also remove the ability of people who are going through the system, from moving around the country. Where is the logic in allowing that? its moronic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Thorny Queen


    I think that is part of the problem...we treat them better than our own people.

    I never got free health care or free accommodation in a city centre or town centre location ever and I have worked here since I was 13. Or got my meals provided for, free of charge. Or my children get fast tracked into creche places and school places, when the schools and creches won't even keep a waiting list anymore.

    Basically in my county, there is a humanitarian crisis going on with MICA and what does the government do...per capita...dump loads of refugees and asylum seekers into the county with nowhere to rent and prices through the roof.

    Most people treat animals very well btw.

    If the government put even 50% of the same effort into solving our housing crisis, we wouldn't have a traumatising crisis for a lot of people.

    For the record, 20 years ago I was all happy clappy about immigration into this country but as a teacher, I am sick of it now.

    I am going into SET in September and over 70% of my timetable is taken up with language needs. My own child has being diagnosed with Dyslexia and he is not a priority based on language needs. Although he is struggling across the board. I'm glad he has me, that's all I'll say. I know other Irish children and they won't see a stiff of learning support, even though the need it there.

    Mod - warned for ignoring moderator instruction re anecdotes

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,745 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Post edited by marno21 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    You are aware that you put the phrase in quotes implying that other were saying it, not you? If others are saying it, point them out please.

    If it is you saying it, however, why do you think they are animals?



  • Advertisement
  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I said “in summary” before it. So it was pretty clear I was paraphrasing.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    all of this could be solved by speeding up the processing of asylum claims and deportations.

    I blame the government, I don’t blame the lads chancing their arms to see if they can find a better life for themselves and their families.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    Yes, however did anyone even imply people should be treated like animals as you put it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,722 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    I have mixed feelings. On one hand I can’t blame anyone chancing their arm for a better life for their family. But their actions are making harder for Irish people to provide a better life for their family



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I'd help and encourage them to go home.

    Maybe even try to get some investment in their home countries.

    There's a lot been done already and as mentioned a lot of hotel stock unavailable because of refugees and IPA occupation.

    We don't do that for our homeless.

    That which is unsustainable can not be sustained.

    And there's no way around this. Those coming now in the future are going to have to be given a frostier reception.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭Adhamh


    Footage of the protest in Dublin earlier today



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭dasa29


    From looking at the video above, and given that it takes the march 12 mins from start to finish to pass the person taking the video, I would put the total involved of the march at maybe a few thousand but not much more than 5K in total and would be very surprised if was any where near 10k.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Yes they did. No accommodation or medical treatment. But maybe you’re right they wouldn’t even treat animals that way, let alone human beings.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,998 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,868 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    What I find bizarre about a march like this shouting "out out out" in Irish how many there today would have immigrant friends or acquaintance either through work, a game of 5 a side or living beside someone who moved here and are neighbours for years.

    Do they even spend a second thinking how hurtful it might be to people from outside Ireland who have came here, contributed to society and made Ireland home even if that's on a temporary basis.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 259 ✭✭Rain from the West


    On the RTE News just now: Someone in the anti-immigrant march had a placard with a picture of Trump, Putin and Conor McGregor on it. The mind boggles……



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,819 ✭✭✭nachouser


    That's a grim 8 minutes. I saw a few lads near me waving flags around 5. I guess they were the dregs of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,633 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The Fine Gael is racist to Irish is my favourite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,529 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The problem is, we don't ship them home.

    We let failed AS stay here - that is the main problem.

    I think we should ship them home, as you suggest. That would mean thousands of AS either leaving of their own accord, or being deported, each year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,529 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    I agree with you - process claims faster.

    Yet when I suggest moving to processing claims with 24hrs or a week, I am told by posters on here that it's not possible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,633 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    It isn't possible though unfortunately, as we have discussed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,868 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Of course it's not possible to process claims in 24 hours. Explain how in your view it could be possible?

    Do the Government hire hundreds of immigration officials working shift work to address this niche issue?

    Like other posters here who say "send them back on the returning plane" it gives the impression the never visited an airport before. Also missing the fact of the border so do they want immigration control between north and south? It's never mentioned but I personally would hate to see a hard border on this island again.

    The thread can be summed up as cheap lazy soundbites with 0% critical thinking which goes around in circles.

    When a moderate voice comes in to discuss the issue at a practical level they are shot down and posters who say they should be held in a pen and fed gruel they are applauded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭kabakuyu


    There's way more than 5k there,all news outlets reporting 10k,it's pretty obvious from the vid that it's more than 5k.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    Every single common sense solution you propose will be met with the same nonsense from those posters i.e they will continue to claim, no matter what evidence you produce to the contrary, that there's nothing we can do to prevent the mass influx of undocumented men from the middle east and Africa.

    No solutions or productive ideas will ever be offered - just a rejection of your arguments. These posters do not have the guts to openly say what they actually want, which is open borders free-for-all. Instead, they imply in the most cowardly, roundabout way, that we have no choice must accept the situation as it is.

    I would note that since the reckless McEntee and O'Gorman have left office, numbers of asylum applications have reduced significantly. This is thanks to simple measures such as Jim O'Callaghan announcing that chancers are not welcome here and engaging with UK authorities to prevent abuse of the CTA. Now imagine how much we could reduce this if we put our minds to it?

    The myth that we cannot control the mass influx of undocumented Muslims and Africans into our country is falsely propagated by open border enthusiasts because it suits their Marxist agenda. It is a waste of time speaking to them because they do not debate in good faith.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,633 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Lol. Marxist right. All I have done in this thread is rebuke people saying send them back on the next flight etc as that is not possible. Currently we have to keep and process everyone who claims asylum here and this won't change without a new government and massive political upheaval. I couldn't care less where my neighbours are from or if anyone came to Ireland ever again but you all bang on about sending people home without taking into the account the bureaucratic realities.

    We don't have detention centres. We have an open border with the UK where 1000s arrive by small boats every week.

    So whether you like it or not, 1000s of "unvetted" males will be roaming ireland for the foreseeable and there's nothing you or I can do about it.



Advertisement